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From "Richard S. Hall" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Celix to enter the Incubator
Date Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:21:52 GMT
  I think this is interesting. However, I'd like to point out that you 
may need to take care in how you position this. I believe the OSGi specs 
allow for compliant open source implementations, but it is unlikely this 
implementation will ever be fully compliant. So, you'd probably be best 
to just position it as a C-based module system that provides OSGi 

And definitely don't call the mailing lists cosgi anything. :-)

-> richard

On 9/24/10 10:45, Alexander Broekhuis wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like to announce  the following proposal as a new incubator project.
> Abstract
> Celix is a OSGi like implementation in C with a distinct focus on
> interoperability between Java-OSGi and Celix.
> Proposal
> Celix will be an implementation of the OSGi specification adapted to C. It
> will follow the API as close as possible, but since the OSGi specification
> is written primarily for Java, there will be differences (Java is OO, C is
> procedural).
> An important aspect of the implementation is interoperability between
> Java-OSGi and Celix. This interoperability is achieved by porting and
> implementing the Remote Services specification in Celix. These Services will
> be made available in separate bundles.
> Background
> In embedded/realtime situations software is mostly implemented in C. In
> situations where interoperability and dynamics are important, a good
> architecture and design principle is needed. OSGi provides such middleware
> for Java based systems.
> To be able to have such dynamic environment implemented in C, a OSGi like
> implementation is needed. Besides a dynamic environment, OSGi also makes it
> easier to reuse parts of the system, reducing time needed to implement and
> maintain software.
> The implementation started with the basics to make it possible to load
> libraries dynamically, and steadily grown towards an implementation where
> large parts of the OSGi framework API is implemented.
> The implementation of Celix is heavily based on Apache Felix (where
> appropriate it is even a direct port of the Apache Felix code (Java) to C).
> Since distributed systems are used more and more in services based
> environments, a scalable and transparent solution is needed for remote
> communication. The OSGi specification describes remote services, this
> specification will be a part of the first release.
> Remote services also make it possible to communicate between Java-OSGi and
> Celix. To achieve this interoperability, both Java and C implementations of
> remote services for a common protocol are needed. For local services JNI can
> be used, for remote services SOAP and/or REST can be used. In the latter
> case, Apache CXF can be used to implement the Remote Services API in Java.
> Rationale
> In embedded/realtime/distributed environments there is a need to be able to
> create dynamic and maintainable software. Currently there are no off the
> shelf middleware/frameworks for this. Celix tries to provide such a
> framework.
> The choice to base the implementation on the OSGi specification makes it
> possible for a developer to use Celix as well as Java OSGi implementation
> without much differences and without a steep learning curve.
> The community and user driven platform created by Apache provides a great
> base for middleware such as Celix. Also the fact that Celix is based on
> Apache Felix, and Apache Felix is hosted by Apache, makes it a logical
> choice to have Apache as home for this project.
> Initial Goals
>     - Provide a basic implementation of the OSGi Framework API
>     - Provide an implementation of Remote Services to be able to create
>     distributed systems (and Celix<->  OSGi interoperability).
>     - Build/Expand a community using/developing Celix
>     - OSGi like implementation in C
>     - Provide a module/component based software solution for embedded
>     Platforms
>        - RealTime software
>        - Distributed systems
>        - Provide Services based solution
>     - Investigate if Apache Portable Runtime can be used for platform
>     abstraction
> Current Status Meritocracy
> Celix was created by Alexander Broekhuis. While he is no active
> committer/participant of Apache projects, he has used Open Source and is
> well known with it and how a meritocracy works. Currently there are several
> other possible committers.
> To be able to create and maintain complex middleware (such as Celix) a good
> structure is needed. A meritocracy following the rules and traditions of the
> ASF is a good choice for Celix.
> Community
> Currently the Celix community exists out of the core developers, and the
> users integration Celix in an end-user product (all from Thales).
> Core Developers
>     - Alexander Broekhuis (Luminis)
>     - Jasper Gielen (Humiq)
>     - Herman ten Brugge (Thales)
> Alignment
> Celix is heavily based on Apache Felix. Since Apache Felix is an Apache
> project it makes sense to develop Celix under Apache.
> Also, Celix is a complex and large middleware project, it makes sense to
> have a supporting/developing community. Apache provides a solid base, with
> established processes and rules, to create such community.
> Known Risks Orphaned Products
> Celix will be used by Thales, and so there is no direct risk for this
> project to be orphaned.
> Inexperience with Open Source
> The committers have experience using and/or working on open source projects.
> The Apache process is new, but most likely not a problem.
> Homogeneous Developers
> Currently all committers are from the Netherlands, but they do work for
> different organizations.
> Reliance on Salaried Developers
> All committers working on Celix (currently) are paid developers. The
> expectation is that those developers will also start working on the project
> in their spare time.
> Relationships with Other Apache Products
>     - Celix is based on Apache Felix
>     - Using Apache ACE it probably is possible to provision Celix bundles
>     - For remote services Apache CXF can be used (either SOAP or REST)
>     - Possibly Apache ZooKeeper can be used for remote service discovery
>     (Apache ZooKeeper vs SLP)
>     - Possibly Apache Portable Runtime for platform abstraction
> An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
> Celix itself will hopefully have benefits from Apache, in terms of
> attracting a community and establishing a solid group of developers, but
> also the relation with Apache Felix. These are the main reasons for us to
> send this proposal.
> We think that a good community is needed to build and maintain large
> middleware projects, such as Celix.
> However, even if Celix would not be accepted, development will continue. As
> such, there is no need to, or reason to, "abuse" the Apache Brand.
> Documentation
> Currently all documentation and information is stored on a private corporate
> wiki.. This has to be moved to a public place. (is this part of the process
> after acceptance, or should this be placed on (eg) the luminis open source
> server?)
> Initial Source
> Development of Celix started in the summer of 2010. The source currently is
> located on a private corporate SVN repository.
> All the source is available for Open Sourcing and can be found at
> Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan
> Celix is currently developed solely by Luminis employees. All source will be
> donated to Apache.
> External Dependencies
>     - MiniZip source , zlib license
> This source can be included, according to
> Required Resources Mailing Lists
>     - cosgi-dev
>     - cosgi-private
> Subversion Directory
> Issue Tracking
> JIRA Celix
> Other Resources
>     - CMake
> Celix uses Cmake as build environment. CMake generates Make files for
> building, bundling and deploying Celix.
> This build environment can also be used by project using Celix, it provides
> simple methods for creating and deploying bundles to a named target.
>     - Confluence Wiki
> To be able to provide help, documentation, faq etc, a wiki is needed.
> Initial Committers
> Alexander Broekhuis
> Sponsors Champion
> Marcel Offermans
> Nominated Mentors Sponsoring Entity
> Celix is a new project and proposed is to release to code under the
> sponsorship of the Incubator.

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