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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Name change from "Lucene Connectors Framework" to "Apache Connectors Framework"
Date Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:40:58 GMT
ok, I fell off the main sequence.

On Aug 30, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Karl Wright <> wrote:

> FWIW, helium is the output product of a sun-like star, not the fuel.  That
> would be hydrogen.
> Karl
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Benson Margulies <>wrote:
>> It seems to me that the pivotal problem here is the word connector. On
>> the one hand, it could mean almost anything to almost anyone. On the
>> other hand, it has a specific denotation in the vicinity of httpd.
>> Everything at Apache is in the vicinity of httpd.
>> I'd offer the following 'made-up' options, all following Apache:
>> - manifold  (many connections)
>> - omnivore (eats anything)
>> - rapunzel (spins straw into gold)
>> - diogenes (seeking for something)
>> - lantern (ditto)
>> - helium (fuel for Solr)
>> The whole question of brand management strikes me as interesting: is
>> it, in fact, the job of the incubator PMC to groom the Apache branding
>> portfolio by guiding new projects towards better names? Is that in our
>> charter, or should we, as Chris suggests, defer to someone else for
>> problems in this area.
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <> wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>> If I may: since we're discussing marks, why not post to trademarks@ and
>> ask Shane and crew to weigh in? Maybe you have already, but if so, I haven't
>> seen that discussion mentioned over here on general@incubator.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> On 8/30/10 10:03 AM, "Grant Ignersoll" <> wrote:
>>> On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:15 PM, David Jencks wrote:
>>>> To try to illustrate my thinking rather than push a name down your
>> throat...
>>>> Open ConnectorFramework/OpenConnectorFramework/OpenCF  OK, since you've
>> added a branding word.  Not ideal since the purpose appears overly broad
>>>> Content Connector Framework/ContentConnectorFramework/CCF OK, since
>> you've clarified the scope.  Not ideal since has no branding word.
>>>> OpenContentConnectorFramework/OpenCCF better since it clarifies the
>> scope and includes a branding word.
>>> So, the word "open" somehow alleviates your concern?  I don't get that.
>> If your objection is that it comes across as being _the_ Apache connector
>> library, then how does "Open" modulate that?  It's still the Apache Open
>> Connector Framework.  It's still descriptive and still implies it's the one.
>> Besides, it's the ASF, isn't "Open" implied/redundant?  We would never have
>> the Apache Closed Connector Framework, right?
>>> Likewise, the word Content implies the same "only" status, albeit here I
>> will give you that it distinguishes it from Tomcat Connector somewhat,
>> although the Tomcat Connector is just that, the Tomcat connector.  However,
>> I still don't buy that it is a "branding" word.  Content is pretty much
>> meaningless.  Everything is content.  I have no doubt that we could write a
>> plugin for ACF that connected to Tomcat and got Content out of it.  Heck, we
>> already do. It's called a web crawler.
>>> So, that leaves us, in my mind w/ the option of some made up name or we
>> stick w/ ACF.  I'm all for a made up one if someone comes up with one, I
>> just don't know what it is and no one in the community seems to have one
>> either.  ACF fits and the community likes it.  It's not unprecedented at the
>> ASF and I don't think it is confusing with Tomcat Connector.
>>> At any rate, the community would like some resolution.  Should I just
>> call an official vote on ACF and if it loses then we will go back to the
>> drawing board?
>>> -Grant
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