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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: an experiment
Date Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:30:50 GMT

On 08/11/2010 05:19 PM, Donald Woods wrote:
> On 8/11/10 1:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> So.  Following some advice given to me by Sam Ruby,
>> I'd like to start experimenting with different organizational
>> and procedural approaches to the projects I participate in
>> here.  What I want to do is to see how far I can push
>> the envelope on the whole notion of empowerment and
>> self-governance in an incubating project, following the
>> lessons I've learned from httpd's treatment of the subprojects
>> it happens to be responsible for.
>> The first idea should be fairly straightforward: that for
>> the projects I participate in (so far thrift and sis), that
>> the IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process
>> for voting in new committers: basically rolling back the clock
>> to May 1, 2007 on guides/ppmc.html.
> How about requiring at least one mentor on the vote, so there is still
> some oversight?

Having all mentors vote is good but not necessary...IMHO

>> The second idea is more controversial: to hold IPMC votes to
>> admit all significant committers to those projects to the IPMC
>> itself.  The purpose of this concept is to allow those who
>> best know the codebase to provide IPMC oversight over it,
>> especially as it pertains to releases.
> Would still like this to be an opt-in, where any existing PMC member
> interested in helping with the Incubator could request membership and be
> added after 72 hours (expanding ASF member rules to apply to all PMC
> members.)  For committers (non-PMC members), I'd want an existing IPMC
> or PMC member nominate the person to the IPMC and require a 72hr lazy
> consensus, since IPMC members are expected to mentor and teach new
> podlings about the Apache way.

By PMC you mean PPMC? i am confused.

>> I welcome your comments, criticisms, and other feedback.
>> Thanks.
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