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From Dan Haywood <>
Subject Re: Apache Isis: project pre-proposal: looking for mentors and a sponsor
Date Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:30:49 GMT
Hi Niclas,

Thanks for the 'general' support, much appreciated (and I think Rob has 
approved you to our current mailing list).

We have already drafted our project proposal, and do appreciate this all 
might come to nought; but hopefully not given yours and Mohammed's 
encouraging responses.


On 21/07/2010 12:49, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> I think that this is a very interesting project and looked at it
> several times. Unfortunately, I don't have the cycles to take on
> Mentoring at this time, just showing general support for you to move
> on, i.e. get a Champion and together pen the formal proposal, which
> most people here would use to gauge the feasibility. Risk of not being
> accepted after putting in a lot of work is there, but knowing this
> project I think a well formulated proposal will make it a
> no-brainer....
> Cheers
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Dan Haywood<>  wrote:
>> We're considering proposing a group of related open source projects to the
>> Apache Incubator.  At an unconference a few weekends ago I met and sounded
>> out Bertrand Delacrataz and Lars Eilebrecht, who suggested a brief posting
>> here would be a good first step.
>> So: the Apache Isis (?) project will provide the ability to rapidly develop
>> domain-driven applications.  Built on the Naked Objects framework
>> ( and a number of related sister projects
>> (, it allows full stack apps to be built just by
>> writing pojo domain objects.  Technically, it's somewhat akin to an ORM, but
>> rather than just automatically persisting your objects, it automatically
>> provides all the other necessary layers.  This means that the development
>> goes very very quickly, focusing on the bit that really matters; the
>> business application.
>> One particularly important aspect is the ability to customise the generated
>> UIs.  The framework supports pluggable viewers running either as webapps and
>> RIA, and uses existing libraries such as Apache Wicket to support
>> customisation. The framework as a whole is customisable and provides a
>> plugin architecture to allow the other components to be pluggable.
>> For some time Naked Objects, the framework, has elicited interest from
>> "early adopters", but our community remains small.  We're hoping that Apache
>> will provide a platform by which we can grow our community into the "early
>> majority".  We can demonstrate the commitment to do this (two books have
>> been written on Naked Objects).  Until recently there were just two main
>> committers, both freelancer developers based in the UK.  Since then we have
>> picked up three new committers (in Sweden, USA and South Africa), two
>> directly attributable to the publication of the second of these books in Dec
>> 2009.
>>  From our understanding of the Apache process, our proposal will need some
>> mentors and a sponsor.  Vincent Massol (Maven) has already offered, as has
>> James Carman (Wicket).  We're hoping that this post might interest a few
>> more, in which case we'll post a formal project proposal.
>> Thanks for reading this, looking forward to your replies.
>> Dan Haywood
>> Robert Matthews
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