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From Dan Haywood <>
Subject Re: Apache Isis: project pre-proposal: looking for mentors and a sponsor
Date Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:18:23 GMT
Hi Nour,

Thank you for the support, that's great.  We'd be delighted to have you 
on the committers team, I'm sure there's a place for you.  As you can 
see from the diagram on, the NO 
architecture is quite pluggable; so if you have a particular pet 
technology that you're interested in integrating, then it's relatively 
straightforward to do so without having to understand the rest of the stack.

Just looked at your linkedin profile ... for example, building on your 
OpenEJB experience, one thing might be to provide a new remoting 
protocol, surfacing the NO metamodel via session beans.

In the meantime, please do join the nakedobjects contributors list 
(, and we look 
forward to having you onboard.


On the UI side, we have a number of viewers (both webapp and rich 
client), for the persistence layer there's a number of

On 21/07/2010 12:46, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> The idea sounds fantastic
> +1 (Not binding) on the pre-proposal. And if you allow me to join the
> committers team, it would be an honor of mine.
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, James Carman
> <>  wrote:
>> More precisely, that'd be James Carman (Commons).  I'm not on the Wicket team.
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Dan Haywood<>  wrote:
>>> We're considering proposing a group of related open source projects to the
>>> Apache Incubator.  At an unconference a few weekends ago I met and sounded
>>> out Bertrand Delacrataz and Lars Eilebrecht, who suggested a brief posting
>>> here would be a good first step.
>>> So: the Apache Isis (?) project will provide the ability to rapidly develop
>>> domain-driven applications.  Built on the Naked Objects framework
>>> ( and a number of related sister projects
>>> (, it allows full stack apps to be built just by
>>> writing pojo domain objects.  Technically, it's somewhat akin to an ORM, but
>>> rather than just automatically persisting your objects, it automatically
>>> provides all the other necessary layers.  This means that the development
>>> goes very very quickly, focusing on the bit that really matters; the
>>> business application.
>>> One particularly important aspect is the ability to customise the generated
>>> UIs.  The framework supports pluggable viewers running either as webapps and
>>> RIA, and uses existing libraries such as Apache Wicket to support
>>> customisation. The framework as a whole is customisable and provides a
>>> plugin architecture to allow the other components to be pluggable.
>>> For some time Naked Objects, the framework, has elicited interest from
>>> "early adopters", but our community remains small.  We're hoping that Apache
>>> will provide a platform by which we can grow our community into the "early
>>> majority".  We can demonstrate the commitment to do this (two books have
>>> been written on Naked Objects).  Until recently there were just two main
>>> committers, both freelancer developers based in the UK.  Since then we have
>>> picked up three new committers (in Sweden, USA and South Africa), two
>>> directly attributable to the publication of the second of these books in Dec
>>> 2009.
>>>  From our understanding of the Apache process, our proposal will need some
>>> mentors and a sponsor.  Vincent Massol (Maven) has already offered, as has
>>> James Carman (Wicket).  We're hoping that this post might interest a few
>>> more, in which case we'll post a formal project proposal.
>>> Thanks for reading this, looking forward to your replies.
>>> Dan Haywood
>>> Robert Matthews
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