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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Date Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:24:05 GMT
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 09:14, Leo Simons <> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
>> The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
>> how to work here at Apache.
> So what are you teaching with e-mails like this, Greg?
> When you disagree with someone, SHOUT a bit and write a long rant?

I dropped from the distribution. I was
addressing just the Incubator. It was NOT intended to be a teaching
experience, but a wake-up that I believe some of the Incubator's
purpose has been lost along the way.

> Or perhaps that using an argument based on authority is a good strategy?

I am going to be sending an official "Waiver of release" for vote to
this list. That email will contain a rationale for my request.

I also intend to request a jump straight to for
some of the items (e.g mailing lists). Again, there will be a

So yes: I *do* intend to use solid arguments, rationale, and plain
language for the purposes of Incubation. My rant was not about
Subversion's incubation but about how this group has become
misdirected by the path to the Almighty Checklist.

> Not very good lessons either. Please kindly step off the soap box...

I will continue to raise points where I think the Incubator has become
misguided from its true purpose of helping (not hindering!) projects
into the ASF. Will my tone be proper? Maybe. Maybe not. But I stand by
my email.


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