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From Niall Pemberton <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion
Date Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:57 GMT
Thanks for the response.

+1 from me


On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 22:08, Niall Pemberton <> wrote:
>> I have a couple of questions:
>> Could you be more specific about the problems faced by the Subversion
>> Corporation in its three years of existence and the reasons for
>> merging with the ASF? Do you anticipate whether any of these will
>> cause issues/problems at the ASF?
> I believe that svncorp's problems were simply due to "newbieness" and
> a short supply of volunteers.
> To be perfectly clear, and disclaimer-ish and all: I was a
> "conscientious objector" to svncorp from the day it was suggested. I'm
> the sole committer who is *not* a member of svncorp. My feelings then,
> as now, was that svncorp was going to (re)discover all the issues and
> problems that we have handled and solved here at the ASF. And further,
> that the process of working through those issues would consume time
> from our developers. ... And that is exactly what happened. svncorp
> needed to figure out how to process CLAs, donations, D&O insurance,
> board and member meetings, officer appointments, etc etc.
> Second was a need for volunteers to provide their time to learn and
> perform all of these basic activities. We have a large pool here at
> the ASF, of people willing to do non-coding stuff. Yet that was not
> present for svncorp and its community.
>> This *feels* like a much bigger project than the usual incubating
>> project - do you have any idea what the impact on ASF infrastructure
>> and resources is going to be in both the short and long term?
> Some people from svn are meeting with the infra team today (Thursday)
> to walk through these issues. There are a number of options that the
> svn devs would like to consider (see the proposal, and further emails)
> such as a separate vs joint repository. I expect these items to be
> raised and handled during the incubation process (subject to
> acceptance, of course).
> That said, I think the Infra team has built out more than enough capacity.
>> Besides code and community are there any other assets or resources
>> that the Subversion Corporation intends to transfer to the ASF?
> I'm pretty sure there is a registered (with the USPTO) trademark that
> will be transferred to the ASF. There are also a few domains (i.e.
> that we'd like the Infra team to pick up and manage
> for us. The svncorp was intended to be registered as a non-profit like
> the ASF, but I'm not sure of its current status. It has a number of
> documents and whatnot to file with the IRS and similar authorities,
> along with potential back taxes. After that paperwork, I expect there
> to be a small positive cash balance which will most likely be donated
> to the ASF (but that is outside the scope of this donation/process,
> and subject to a separate vote of the svncorp members).
>> Presumably the Subversion Corporation will be wound up if/when it
>> successfully graduates from incubation?
> Correct.
> Cheers,
> -g
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