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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Aries incubator for Enterprise OSGi
Date Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:27:01 GMT
Uhhh... So you intend to re-educate the 'masses' in two ways;

1. "NO, NO, NO, Felix is not an OSGi framework, it is a group of OSGi
projects... Apache Foo is an OSGi framework..."

2. "NO, NO, NO, Felix bundles works on other things than Felix, I mean the
Apache Foo..."

Or did I misunderstand something here?

That way is just plain stupid, and serves no purpose at all. Either keep
Felix what it represents to people (the framework) and rename/move/juggle
the other bits, or don't do anything.

Yes, you are right that for most non-Java software developers in the world,
Apache == web server, and I think this is a general problem...

Good Luck with whatever tack you guys choose on this.

As for Aries, I would like to see the scope arrive at ASF, and I would hope
now is the time to review the organization in this field.

+1 for Incubation, btw. I might sign up as Mentor, if I can squeeze in the

-- Niclas

On Sep 2, 2009 1:52 AM, "Richard S. Hall" <> wrote:

As I said on dev@felix and will repeat here:


I don't agree about renaming the [Felix] TLP. There are so many examples of
similar situations. I cannot believe we are truly in a unique situation

  * "Apache" typically means the HTTP Server project, but it also
    refers to the foundation and all of its independent projects.
  * "Eclipse" typically means the IDE, but there is also a runtime and
    foundation with independent projects.

Acting like this isn't normal or something that is too confusing to ever
resolve seems a bit preposterous.


While I don't believe the situation is as confusing as is contended, I have
no issue with coming up with a different name for the Apache Felix Framework
(its name is technically Framework right now), so that the Apache Felix
project can continue to pursue its original charter.

-> richard

On 9/1/09 12:58, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > I'm not subscribing to
dev@felix.a.o at the moment, but...

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