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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Aries incubator for Enterprise OSGi
Date Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:58:05 GMT
I'm not subscribing to dev@felix.a.o at the moment, but would still like to
hear the outcome of this...

Richard, we (you and I at least) have discussed this more than once in the
past and I totally agree with Guillaume that the perception is there, it is
everything and near impossible to change. I ALSO agree with Richard that
spec implementations should reside with Felix.

Now, I think name manipulations are going to be necessary. My take is;

Apache Felix = a OSGi framework, runtime, installers, binaries, bells and
whistles. The whole kitchen sink if you like. The framework implementation
itself probably lives here, with the Core spec service implementations.

Apache Foo = a foundry to dev OSGi spec implementations. One or many. Most
will be dependencies to Felix, but the detach shows that they are intended
for all.

Apache Bar = a component foundry outside the spec suite.

And let Aries, Karaf, Ace and what else in future to go TLP if/when they are

I think ServiceMix has with its friends shown how nice eco-systems can work,
and with OSGi's modularity strengths it should be even more so... In fact,
instead of seeing this as a weakening of Felix position (which is what I
think Richard sees), I think it will strengthen OSGi's natural place in the
Apache Landscape.

Don't forget, you are free to participate at as many places as you wish.

-- Niclas

P.S. Sorry for poor quoting. On mobile...

On Sep 2, 2009 12:14 AM, "Guillaume Nodet" <> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 18:06, Richard S. Hall <> wrote:
> > Creating another pr...
Well, the problem I see here is that we *need* to educate non-techies.  This
obvisouly mean that there is a confusion.  Education is just a work around
the need to remove the confusion imho.  So let's discuss that on
dev@felix.a.o, I don't think this thread belongs here.

-- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet ------------------------ Blog: ----------...

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