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From "Richard S. Hall" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Aries incubator for Enterprise OSGi
Date Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:50:22 GMT
How is it that so many people already use Felix subprojects on other 
frameworks if there isn't already some understanding on this already? 
Just because some people perceive it to not be that way, doesn't mean we 
should throw the baby out with the bathwater. It is a poor argument. 
Just starting walking the walk and people will figure it out...they 
aren't that stupid.

-> richard

On 9/1/09 14:27, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Uhhh... So you intend to re-educate the 'masses' in two ways;
> 1. "NO, NO, NO, Felix is not an OSGi framework, it is a group of OSGi
> projects... Apache Foo is an OSGi framework..."
> 2. "NO, NO, NO, Felix bundles works on other things than Felix, I mean the
> Apache Foo..."
> Or did I misunderstand something here?
> That way is just plain stupid, and serves no purpose at all. Either keep
> Felix what it represents to people (the framework) and rename/move/juggle
> the other bits, or don't do anything.
> Yes, you are right that for most non-Java software developers in the world,
> Apache == web server, and I think this is a general problem...
> Good Luck with whatever tack you guys choose on this.
> As for Aries, I would like to see the scope arrive at ASF, and I would hope
> now is the time to review the organization in this field.
> +1 for Incubation, btw. I might sign up as Mentor, if I can squeeze in the
> time...
> -- Niclas
> On Sep 2, 2009 1:52 AM, "Richard S. Hall"<>  wrote:
> As I said on dev@felix and will repeat here:
> ----
> I don't agree about renaming the [Felix] TLP. There are so many examples of
> similar situations. I cannot believe we are truly in a unique situation
> here:
>    * "Apache" typically means the HTTP Server project, but it also
>      refers to the foundation and all of its independent projects.
>    * "Eclipse" typically means the IDE, but there is also a runtime and
>      foundation with independent projects.
> Acting like this isn't normal or something that is too confusing to ever
> resolve seems a bit preposterous.
> ----
> While I don't believe the situation is as confusing as is contended, I have
> no issue with coming up with a different name for the Apache Felix Framework
> (its name is technically Framework right now), so that the Apache Felix
> project can continue to pursue its original charter.
> ->  richard
> On 9/1/09 12:58, Niclas Hedhman wrote:>  >  I'm not subscribing to
> dev@felix.a.o at the moment, but...

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