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From "Richard S. Hall" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Aries incubator for Enterprise OSGi
Date Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:51:41 GMT
As I said on dev@felix and will repeat here:


I don't agree about renaming the [Felix] TLP. There are so many examples 
of similar situations. I cannot believe we are truly in a unique 
situation here:

    * "Apache" typically means the HTTP Server project, but it also
      refers to the foundation and all of its independent projects.
    * "Eclipse" typically means the IDE, but there is also a runtime and
      foundation with independent projects.

Acting like this isn't normal or something that is too confusing to ever 
resolve seems a bit preposterous.


While I don't believe the situation is as confusing as is contended, I 
have no issue with coming up with a different name for the Apache Felix 
Framework (its name is technically Framework right now), so that the 
Apache Felix project can continue to pursue its original charter.

-> richard

On 9/1/09 12:58, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> I'm not subscribing to dev@felix.a.o at the moment, but would still like to
> hear the outcome of this...
> Richard, we (you and I at least) have discussed this more than once in the
> past and I totally agree with Guillaume that the perception is there, it is
> everything and near impossible to change. I ALSO agree with Richard that
> spec implementations should reside with Felix.
> Now, I think name manipulations are going to be necessary. My take is;
> Apache Felix = a OSGi framework, runtime, installers, binaries, bells and
> whistles. The whole kitchen sink if you like. The framework implementation
> itself probably lives here, with the Core spec service implementations.
> Apache Foo = a foundry to dev OSGi spec implementations. One or many. Most
> will be dependencies to Felix, but the detach shows that they are intended
> for all.
> Apache Bar = a component foundry outside the spec suite.
> And let Aries, Karaf, Ace and what else in future to go TLP if/when they are
> ready.
> I think ServiceMix has with its friends shown how nice eco-systems can work,
> and with OSGi's modularity strengths it should be even more so... In fact,
> instead of seeing this as a weakening of Felix position (which is what I
> think Richard sees), I think it will strengthen OSGi's natural place in the
> Apache Landscape.
> Don't forget, you are free to participate at as many places as you wish.
> -- Niclas
> P.S. Sorry for poor quoting. On mobile...
> On Sep 2, 2009 12:14 AM, "Guillaume Nodet"<>  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 18:06, Richard S. Hall<>  wrote:
>>> Creating another pr...
> Well, the problem I see here is that we *need* to educate non-techies.  This
> obvisouly mean that there is a confusion.  Education is just a work around
> the need to remove the confusion imho.  So let's discuss that on
> dev@felix.a.o, I don't think this thread belongs here.
> -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet ------------------------ Blog:
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