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From Greg Brown <>
Subject Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
Date Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:23:12 GMT
OK, then I'll try to provide more clarification. I don't understand  
how a project without leadership can succeed. I don't care what you  
call it, someone needs to drive the process. I'm not talking about an  
implication of authority or a higher degree of ownership - I'm talking  
strictly about making things happen. If that's not a "leader", then  
what is it, in ASF terms?

Note that "leader" does not necessarily mean "singular" (i.e.  
"dictator"). Most projects have multiple leaders. IMO, a project  
without a "leader" (or leaders), will go nowhere.


On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Greg Brown <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
>>> We don't have a notion of fixed leadership at Apache.  Leadership is
>>> always welcome but it is determined by the will of the group in  
>>> question
>>> at a given point in time, not based on one's official status.  We  
>>> try to
>>> avoid status symbols in order to retain the fair balance of  
>>> individual
>>> decision making within our projects.
>> Of course. My issue is with the idea that a project can be  
>> successful in the
>> absence of any kind of leadership. So maybe some clarification on  
>> terminology is
>> in order...
> I thought David's explanation that we don't us the phrase "project  
> leads"
> at Apache was fairly straightforward ;-).
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