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From Greg Brown <>
Subject Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
Date Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:38:16 GMT
Apologies. I'm fired up about another discussion on the pivot-dev list  
and I'm letting it bleed over here.

My assertion stands, though. I don't think that it is realistic to  
think that any non-trivial project can be effectively guided without  
some concept of leadership. Do others on this list share David's  
opinion? If so, how do you think such projects should be managed?

On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Greg Brown wrote:

> Ordinarily, I'd refrain from comment on a topic such as this. But I  
> think it's pretty unrealistic to consider any project, especially  
> one of Pivot's magnitude, to be practically fostered without any  
> kind of "leader". I don't claim authority, and I don't think that my  
> vote counts any more than anyone else's. However, I don't think  
> *any* project is likely to be successful without some kind of vision  
> behind it, and, from my experience, that's typically driven by a  
> handful of individuals. Yes, there are lots of other contributors  
> without whom a project would not be successful. But to say that  
> there is no such concept as a "leading developer" is a fallacy.
> If that's an idea that's too foreign to the ASF, then perhaps Pivot  
> doesn't belong here.
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:15 PM, David Crossley wrote:
>> This is a general comment to everyone. It is finally triggered
>> by this month's report from Pivot.
>> There is no such concept at the ASF as "leading developer".
>> Yes i know that the Jira issue tracker is misleading, as it has
>> an incorrect label on its interface: "Project Lead"
>> Some projects get around that by referring to "Xxx Developers".
>> However today i am not really concerned about Jira. It is the
>> use of the term in board reports and such, that indicates an issue.
>> -David
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