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From "William A. Rowe, Jr." <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Apache VXQuery
Date Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:38:04 GMT
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> Honestly, Niclas,
> but if you and possibly others that strict, then we should change the
> official policy. I do not doubt the reasons you give, but such a
> statement seems difficult to me, if the official policy clearly
> demands it, but insisting on more than the policy requests seems
> questionable to me.

It is policy, but the written policy may be badly explained :)

Mentor == Incubator PMC member.  That's required.

ASF member == automatic Incubator PMC member.  That's policy.

non-ASF member == nomination/voting process.  That's policy.

The problem is that unless a candidate demonstrates a clear competency
in the way that the ASF works, the expectations for ASF projects and
project committees, the meritocracy and collaboration required, and
their own successful participation in one or more PMC's, they simply
will be rejected as a an IPMC member and mentor.

Part of the confusion is that proposers read "Mentor" and think in
terms of software and project guidance.  That isn't what an Incubator
Mentor provides (although they may offer some of that too :).  Mentors
in the incubator are there to ensure the project quickly assimilates
enough ASF culture to successfully graduate and follow the ASF foundation

So someone who might be a natural software development mentor does not
help the project in the mission of becoming an ASF top level project,
not unless that are already immersed in the ASF at one or more projects,

I'm not commenting on Radu Preotiuc-Pietro, who has been at XMLBeans PMC
since 2005, and if Radu has followed such lists as this one, legal-discuss,
etc, would make a fine mentor.  Just clarifying what -is- policy today,
and what the common misunderstandings are.

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