From general-return-22024-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue May 12 18:46:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 87154 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 18:45:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 12 May 2009 18:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 3135 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2009 18:45:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2953 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2009 18:45:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2943 invoked by uid 99); 12 May 2009 18:45:02 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:45:02 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [74.125.44.153] (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:44:52 +0000 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so90279yxi.0 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: les.hazlewood@anjinllc.com Received: by 10.90.56.17 with SMTP id e17mr700173aga.96.1242153871219; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <08CB8E49-E904-4C1D-89EE-AE36D8CF6468@toolazydogs.com> References: <8EB750A4-D2B1-4C7C-8888-776A398D691D@toolazydogs.com> <08CB8E49-E904-4C1D-89EE-AE36D8CF6468@toolazydogs.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:44:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 87e4519584581806 Message-ID: <44b57a610905121144r32771596t680abfdc1d7ece0c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: This problem of mine From: Les Hazlewood To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636283828401e940469bb7cec X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001636283828401e940469bb7cec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would allow >>>>> me to >>>>> let this go other than "nope, it's not the same". Otherwise, I feel >>>>> that I >>>>> need to bring up a vote to put the issue to bed once and for all.... >>>>> >>>> >>>> The only thing that I can say is that from the ASF's point of view >>>> your project's name is "Apache Ki", no just "Ki". >>>> >>> >>> So, this is an interesting point. Can we change Apache Geronimo's name >>> to Apache WebSphere and get a way with it? >>> >> >> The main point is that you and I disagree on whether FixFlyer Ki and >> Apache Ki are in the same domain. >> >> I have neither broad nor deep experience with securities trading systems, >> but I do know what financial securities are. And I claim that someone >> knowledgeable enough about computer systems to be in a position to evaluate >> software for securities trading systems, should know the difference between >> Java security and Securities Trading. >> > > I think you missed my point and that is that they are comparing their Java > security system, not the financial instruments, against JSecurity's. Both > provide the same functionality where their vertical application overlaps > with our horizontal application, that is, Java security. Really? Where do they make that comparison? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. They were asking us to reconsider the name 'Ki' explicitly because it might cause confusion to and end-user community (e.g. if I was googling for FixFlyer's 'Ki' and found instead Apache's Ki, I might be confused). They made no such claim of functionality overlap that I'm aware of. Cheers, Les --001636283828401e940469bb7cec--