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From Darren Hague <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:00:34 GMT
Thanks both - this is good feedback. We have been moving more traffic to 
our esme-dev list, but you are right to point out the need to document 
the results of any significant real-time discussions back on the mailing 

To be honest, thus far we have been making up the whole process as we go 
along, and one of the benefits to us of moving to Apache is to learn 
these good practices from people who have been there before.


William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
>> My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be
>> run in real time, with decisions made "through collaborative
>> decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via
>> Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself."
> Good points.  If the project remembers one cardinal rule --- "If it didn't
> happen on the dev@ list, it didn't happen", then all of these additional
> tools can certainly be used to advance the project.
> They simply aren't decision-making mechanisms, and are not valid as some
> ordinal reference to "but we decided that..."
> For example, httpd and apr use IRC to suppliment but never to replace the
> dev@ developer forums.  Once an idea is hashed out, if it needs to be
> presented to the developers, dev@ is the ***one and only*** forum.
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