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From "Martijn Dashorst" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] accept Olio into incubation
Date Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:52:19 GMT
+1 (binding)

(on both accounts: accept olio and add Wicket to the ticket)


On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:01 AM, James Carman
<> wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
> I've informed the Wicket team about this incubator request and there
> is interest in providing a wicket-based implementation (wicket along
> with differing ORM technologies of course, like JPA and Hibernate; the
> way I envision it, we'll use profiles in maven to turn on/off
> different implementations).  When do you think it'd be a good time to
> add implementations to the mix?  During incubation?  After it
> graduates?  Is there a requirements document or something for
> applications wishing to "implement" the Olio example application?
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hogstrom <> wrote:
>> +1  (binding)
>> Note: I updated the proposal on the Wiki with my normal e-mail account
>> ( instead of my work e-mail ( since my
>> mentoring of this project is unrelated to any aspect of my work
>> responsibilities).
>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>> Please vote on accepting Olio into incubation.
>>> The proposal can be found at:
>>> [This proposal was formerly known as Web20Kit]
>>> The text of the proposal:
>>> OlioProposal
>>> Abstract
>>> Apache Olio is a web 2.0 toolkit to help developers evaluate the
>>> suitability, functionality and performance of various web technologies by
>>> implementing a reasonably complex application in several different
>>> technologies.
>>> Proposal
>>> Olio will develop an example application to understand the benefits,
>>> performance, and scalability of popular web technologies. Multiple
>>> implementations of the application are planned - each providing the same
>>> functionality but staying true to the philosophy of its base
>>> language/framework.
>>> Background
>>> Most web 2.0 sites today use open source languages and frameworks such as
>>> PHP, Ruby on Rails, and Java EE to develop their applications. Deployments
>>> of these applications also use popular open source servers such as Apache
>>> httpd, Tomcat, MySQL, Memcache, and Glassfish. Many other
>>> servers/technologies such as lighttpd, mogileFS, mongrels, JRuby are also
>>> gaining popularity.
>>> With the myriad technologies available, it is not easy to understand how
>>> they differ, especially in terms of performance and scalability. With varied
>>> levels of documentation available for some open source applications, it is
>>> also quite difficult for a web 2.0 startup to understand the correct usage
>>> of these technologies so that they don't become a bottleneck as their site
>>> grows.
>>> Rationale
>>> Olio is a toolkit that will attempt to address the above issues.
>>> What it does
>>> Olio defines an example web 2.0 application (the initial implementation
>>> uses an events site somewhat like and provides three
>>> implementations: PHP, Java EE, and Ruby on Rails. The toolkit will also
>>> define ways to drive load against the application in order to measure
>>> performance.
>>> As developers join the project, they can implement the same application
>>> using their favorite web frameworks and compare their implementations to
>>> others.
>>> What you can learn from it
>>> a) Understand how to use various web 2.0 technologies such as AJAX,
>>> memcached, mogileFS etc. in the creation of your own application. Use the
>>> code in the application to understand the subtle complexities involved and
>>> how to get around issues with these technologies.
>>> b) Evaluate the differences in the implementations: PHP, Ruby on Rails,
>>> Java EE, and other contributed implementations to understand which might
>>> best work for your situation.
>>> c) Within each language implementation, evaluate different infrastructure
>>> technologies by changing the servers used (e.g: apache vs lighttpd, MySQL vs
>>> PostgreSQL, Ruby vs Jruby etc.)
>>> d) Drive load against the application to evaluate the performance and
>>> scalability of the chosen platform.
>>> e) Experiment with different algorithms (e.g. memcache locking, a
>>> different DB access API) by replacing portions of code in the application.
>>> A robust, community-developed standard implementations of a web 2.0
>>> application using different technologies will enable developers to compare
>>> and contrast these technologies in a manner that does not exist today. By
>>> providing excellent sample implementations of a concrete application that is
>>> available to everyone, we will enable faster and easier application
>>> development for users. Although we list three implementations in this
>>> proposal, we encourage others to come up with many more using other language
>>> stacks and/or frameworks e.g. Spring framework, Python etc.
>>> Current Status
>>> This is a new project with some sample not-ready-for-prime-time code.
>>> Meritocracy
>>> The initial developers are very familiar with meritocratic open source
>>> development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically
>>> because the initial developers want to encourage this style of development
>>> for the project.
>>> Community
>>> Olio seeks to create developer and user communities during incubation.
>>> Core Developers
>>> The initial core developers are Sun Microsystems, Inc. employees, and
>>> faculty and students at UC Berkeley. We hope to expand this very quickly.
>>> Alignment
>>> The developers of the Olio want to work with the Apache Software
>>> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
>>> foundation and set of practices for community-based development.
>>> Known RisksOrphaned products
>>> This project has a lot of enthusiasm among the core developers, has
>>> ongoing development, and is not orphaned.
>>> Inexperience with Open Source
>>> The initial developers are well-versed in open source methodologies and
>>> practices.
>>> Homogenous Developers
>>> The initial group of developers is from two organizations. We would like
>>> to expand this and that is a primary reason for bringing this project to
>>> Apache.
>>> Reliance on Salaried Developers
>>> Although part of the initial development team are students, the core
>>> developers are employed by Sun Microsystems.
>>> Relationships with Other Apache Products
>>> None in particular, except that Apache HTTPD is the most common place to
>>> run PHP, and which the initial PHP implementation uses.
>>> A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
>>> We believe in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in
>>> place. The brand is nice, but is not why we wish to come to Apache.
>>> DocumentationInitial Source
>>> Sun Microsystems Inc. intends to donate code for their PHP implementation
>>> of the sample events application as well as code to drive load against the
>>> application. UC Berkeley intends to donate code for the Ruby on Rails
>>> implementation.
>>> This code is still a work in progress and will be provided primarily as a
>>> starting place for a much more robust, community- developed implementation.
>>> External DependenciesRequired Resources
>>> Developer mailing lists<moin-email.png>
>>> <moin-email.png> <moin-email.png>
>>> <moin-email.png>
>>> A subversion repository
>>> A JIRA issue tracker
>>> Initial Committers
>>>        •
>>> Akara Sucharitakul <<moin-email.png>>
>>> Subramanyam <<moin-email.png>> Sheetal
>>> <<moin-email.png>> Binu John
>>> <<moin-email.png>> Kim Lichong <<moin-email.png>
>>>> William Sobel <<moin-email.png>
>>>> Arthur Klepchukov <<moin-email.png>
>>>> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png>>
>>> SponsorsChampion
>>>        •
>>> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png>>
>>> Nominated Mentors
>>>        •
>>> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png>> Henning
>>> Schmiedehausen <<moin-email.png>> Matt
>>> <<moin-email.png>> Rick Hillegas
>>> <<moin-email.png>Richard.Hillegas@Sun.COM>
>>> Sponsoring Entity
>>> The Apache Incubator.
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System
>>> 408 276-5638
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
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