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From "Bertrand Delacretaz" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?
Date Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:09:06 GMT
Hi Dims,

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas <> wrote:

> ...Any PMC that ships incubator developed code is responsible for what
> happens when a community does not form around the code base used. Any
> one outside Apache that ships incubator code should be totally aware
> of what they are getting into....


> ...Bottom line, who ever used abdera code should do it consciously. I
> agree that adding a second repo may be causing pain to the end users.
> But this is for better or worse a "feature" because we don't have a
> better way of doing this given the tools we have and the use cases the
> tools are pushing on unsuspecting users :)...

It might be a feature when someone has add the incubating repository
to their configs the first time they need it, but after that any
incubating artifacts might sneak in without people noticing it. People
will add the incubating repository to their parent poms, and it will
be mostly invisible after that.

> ...So can we figure out another way to make the end user make a conscious
> decision?...

The final solution to this probably belongs in Maven, where the
general case of "I want to approve any transitive dependency
explicitely" should be solved. I'm not following Maven enough to know
if that's on their todo list.

> ...I doubt we will get much help from the maven team to support this use
> case. They would rather get the central repo and get it done! What
> bugs me is that in this whole discussion, no one even mentions how
> easy it is to add another repo in the poms or the settings....

I agree that it is easy, but as explained above it probably only
solves a small part of the problem, and some of us think that that's
not worth the hassle. Add on top of that the varying perception of the
quality and "Apacheness" of incubator releases, and you get the whole
range of opinions about a separate repository, which we're seeing in
this and other discussions.

> ...Why can't people at least pretend to come up with some alternatives
> rather than just chant "central repo!" :)...

The central repository is very useful for Maven users, so I guess we
want it to be as complete as possible.


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