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From "Martijn Dashorst" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Click for Incubation
Date Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:58:21 GMT
I think you mean meritocracy instead of mediocrity :)


On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Malcolm Edgar <> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I do take the point that there are no "project leads" in ASF and if
> Click were to go throught the incubator process and become a fully
> fledged ASF project that this would change. The project would follow
> the Apache mediocrity rules. I genuinely belive that this would be a
> good thing, long running projects need new ideas and new people to
> continue to move them forward.
> The brief summary of the project history in the proposal does make the
> community role look more shallow than it is. If you view the projects
> change history:
> you can see the diversity of the contributions from community members
> made over the life of the project.
> I think the Mediocirty section of the proposal should be updated to
> address these concerns.
> regards Malcolm Edgar
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>> There are no "project leads" at the ASF.  All committers who become a
>>> member
>>> of the PMC shall have an equal say in the project.  This can cause a great
>>> amount of friction when the project is perceived to be "owned" by a small
>>> subset of the pmc members.  Explosions within such projects happen at
>>> least
>>> once a year, sometimes for the better and often for the worse.
>>> I would have hoped that under Meritocracy, something about the transition
>>> from benevolent dictator to project management committee would be said.
>>> I would like to know, for example, if every committer will become a PPMC
>>> member, or if this is a PPMC of two (Malcolm and Bob).
>> While I agree with the general point, I should add, that "no project leads"
>> does not mean that you should add random people to the PMC, just because
>> they posted a few times on the mailing list or submitted a trivial patch.
>> "Meritocracy" means just that - give and elevate karma of people who make
>> the project happen. I thought it is important to underscore this point, as
>> there is often a fear of a project being hijacked.
>> Andrus
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