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From "Malcolm Edgar" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Click for Incubation
Date Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:40:33 GMT
Hi All,

I do take the point that there are no "project leads" in ASF and if
Click were to go throught the incubator process and become a fully
fledged ASF project that this would change. The project would follow
the Apache mediocrity rules. I genuinely belive that this would be a
good thing, long running projects need new ideas and new people to
continue to move them forward.

The brief summary of the project history in the proposal does make the
community role look more shallow than it is. If you view the projects
change history:

you can see the diversity of the contributions from community members
made over the life of the project.

I think the Mediocirty section of the proposal should be updated to
address these concerns.

regards Malcolm Edgar

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>> There are no "project leads" at the ASF.  All committers who become a
>> member
>> of the PMC shall have an equal say in the project.  This can cause a great
>> amount of friction when the project is perceived to be "owned" by a small
>> subset of the pmc members.  Explosions within such projects happen at
>> least
>> once a year, sometimes for the better and often for the worse.
>> I would have hoped that under Meritocracy, something about the transition
>> from benevolent dictator to project management committee would be said.
>> I would like to know, for example, if every committer will become a PPMC
>> member, or if this is a PPMC of two (Malcolm and Bob).
> While I agree with the general point, I should add, that "no project leads"
> does not mean that you should add random people to the PMC, just because
> they posted a few times on the mailing list or submitted a trivial patch.
> "Meritocracy" means just that - give and elevate karma of people who make
> the project happen. I thought it is important to underscore this point, as
> there is often a fear of a project being hijacked.
> Andrus
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