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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?
Date Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:56:35 GMT
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Ok. Next we get rid of disclaimers everywhere? What purpose does that serve?

- -- dims

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
| Hi Dims,
| On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas <> wrote:
|> ...Any PMC that ships incubator developed code is responsible for what
|> happens when a community does not form around the code base used. Any
|> one outside Apache that ships incubator code should be totally aware
|> of what they are getting into....
| Agreed.
|> ...Bottom line, who ever used abdera code should do it consciously. I
|> agree that adding a second repo may be causing pain to the end users.
|> But this is for better or worse a "feature" because we don't have a
|> better way of doing this given the tools we have and the use cases the
|> tools are pushing on unsuspecting users :)...
| It might be a feature when someone has add the incubating repository
| to their configs the first time they need it, but after that any
| incubating artifacts might sneak in without people noticing it. People
| will add the incubating repository to their parent poms, and it will
| be mostly invisible after that.
|> ...So can we figure out another way to make the end user make a conscious
|> decision?...
| The final solution to this probably belongs in Maven, where the
| general case of "I want to approve any transitive dependency
| explicitely" should be solved. I'm not following Maven enough to know
| if that's on their todo list.
|> ...I doubt we will get much help from the maven team to support this use
|> case. They would rather get the central repo and get it done! What
|> bugs me is that in this whole discussion, no one even mentions how
|> easy it is to add another repo in the poms or the settings....
| I agree that it is easy, but as explained above it probably only
| solves a small part of the problem, and some of us think that that's
| not worth the hassle. Add on top of that the varying perception of the
| quality and "Apacheness" of incubator releases, and you get the whole
| range of opinions about a separate repository, which we're seeing in
| this and other discussions.
|> ...Why can't people at least pretend to come up with some alternatives
|> rather than just chant "central repo!" :)...
| The central repository is very useful for Maven users, so I guess we
| want it to be as complete as possible.
| -Bertrand
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