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From Angela Cymbalak <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?
Date Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:41:05 GMT
I think that I am in a unique position to comment on this 
question.  I am sure there are a lot of legal things and the Maven 
repository that can be pointed to as reasons why not to have an 
Incubator but I have been very pleased with the fact that Apache 
*does* have the Incubator.  It has been incredibly helpful to me as I 
attempt to find the right people to show me the ropes at 
Apache.  Code releases aside, it appears that it is generally 
accepted that people and projects who are part of the incubator are 
either novices with Apache or those who are willing to help the 
novices.  Without that starting point, finding new people and 
projects could become limited.  There is a centralized place at 
Apache for those who are starting out, and without the incubator, it 
doesn't appear that Apache has that.

I agree that people may be using projects that are part if the 
incubator and not realizing that it doesn't have the same level of 
support that the TLPs have.  I also agree that a naming convention 
may solve part of that problem.  You might also see if you have 
modify the Apache License a little so that in first few lines of an 
incubator project the license file clearly states that a project is 
in incubation and therefore has additional risks to it.


At 07:00 PM 7/7/2008, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Yes, this is related. But i think folks have made up their mind about
>the repo. this is about the role of the incubator itself which is
>becoming over cumbersome and meaningless to many folks...
>On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Jukka Zitting <> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas 
> <> wrote:
> >> Sorry...Need to take this off my chest before the official VOTE.
> >
> > Good, thanks! It's best to have all relevant points discussed 
> before voting.
> >
> > I'll wait at least a week after the last message on a related thread
> > before starting the vote to avoid interfering with ongoing discussion.
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Jukka Zitting
> >
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