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From "Ryan, Michael P" <>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Tashi
Date Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:11:23 GMT

I've also been closely following the messages exchanged about the Tashi project proposal and
I too, like Michael Stroucken, would like to respond to them.

I'm the other initial committer listed on the project proposal, Michael Ryan.  I am a software
engineer at Intel and I have my own motivations for working on Tashi, as well as the blessing
of my employer.

Some of the pieces of software I write at Intel (scientific apps, performance studies, hardware
simulations, etc.) are used on a cluster we have built at our site in Pittsburgh.  Since we
are a small site, I have ended up doing much of the cluster management myself.  Part of this
management has included rolling our own cluster management software that uses a bunch PXE
boot options, a database, and a bunch of poorly written scripts.  As the cluster has grown,
however, it has turned into a true multi-user cluster and I am consistently surprised at the
new and unique ways users find to break things in the cluster.  For me, this project is about
finding a way to manage this resource.  It's about taking our current ad-hoc cluster management
to the next level by involving others with similar problems/interests.

It is true that many of the other names listed on the proposal are researchers and are looking
to get research publications out of this.  However, the two initial committers have a vested
interest in seeing a functional and maintained piece of software that will be useful for them.
 In all honesty, I'd like to see Tashi working so that I can spend less time being a cluster
admin and more time being a software engineer.

- Michael Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. []
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tashi

Doug Cutting wrote:
> There's no conspiracy here to steal Apacheness.  Rather, Yahoo!, Intel
> and CMU would like to collaborate on open source software.  Intel and
> CMU have a prototype, and Yahoo! is interested in helping to develop
> this further.  All three believe that other parties will also be
> interested in this software.  Apache is a good home for collaborative,
> open-source software projects, no?

Here's the gist of the issue, and your email highlights it perfectly.

Yahoo!, Intel, CMU etc have no standing at the ASF.  The ASF does not
recognize collaborative "corporate" development; the ASF recognizes
collaborative development by physical persons, not other legal constructs
or amalgamation.

In other words, I'll vote -1 on any Proposal for non-person entities
X, Y, and Z to form an incubator podling, and I know several other PMC
members who will do likewise.

This looks like a very interesting technology, and when proposed as a
collaboration by actual persons A, B, and C (who happen to work for
X, Y, and Z) we will have something to discuss.

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