From general-return-18702-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Jun 25 21:30:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 76697 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2008 21:30:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Jun 2008 21:30:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 67247 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jun 2008 21:30:49 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66954 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jun 2008 21:30:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66933 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jun 2008 21:30:48 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:30:48 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of martijn.dashorst@gmail.com designates 74.125.44.153 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.44.153] (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:29:55 +0000 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so748276yxh.0 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Pakna70oxEV+6tfnxY/2PiBNprfRqyxR/siAUlRwUy4=; b=ET06g7SsoSbjc/3DJ38LKOI8H366gSWtRc92xzme+WtdFIITpcvlT3EifpqE1z+++N kMAdzbx+xuPaA2nn4diEFCLcE6/6lqXBKgPFQsSWmJ7xMIYhjPS6lsUgRCyEuEAD8ejk vo28b5AZpXzE1eaYCZE58mrF6cNmbE/FbpdQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sWzE+yv4ozZOGGbUD5TdtlgXQZ/S+WP9KrQvTa9bkmqRwgSZkzuxGcbiI+Xz3X5HqI g2oVFuNLajndo+eDZoGUoc3EDtUFXqpI0KnBupytOkHtyec7PSVmKqBlHl3EUx2mVw8J C9pk0Ve3UFLe1CGNHbVV1JkrDreNQebGAPztk= Received: by 10.151.42.9 with SMTP id u9mr447874ybj.128.1214429413621; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.149.15 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <918312fe0806251430v186e4505yf3259755b262829f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:30:13 +0200 From: "Martijn Dashorst" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Empire-db In-Reply-To: <079CE29CE1864C0EACD6299E452A02F7@Papa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <079CE29CE1864C0EACD6299E452A02F7@Papa> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Rainer D=F6bele wrote: > For the current community's needs Empire-db is already quite mature hence > there has not been a lot of demand for new features or bug-fixes recently= . > This may change with a larger community which is what we're looking for. This reminds me of a saying posed here @apache: "bad code generates good community" (or something similar). When a project is mature, and doesn't have a list of issues and especially new features that need to be solved it is hard to attract new developers. The market for ORM solutions is already crowded, so you'll probably need to convince folks of the benefits of the project. > So to answer your question: The project is NOT "done" it's just awaiting = new > challenges and new participants. I find this alarming: when there are no new challenges awaiting the project, why join Apache? The code is stable and mature, you can just leave it at sf.net. There doesn't seem to be a plan other than "let's join Apache and hope the community grows automatically". If the current core developers don't have challenges for the project, how would the community grow? I've done some googling, and the only references to empire-db are from the incubator list and the site itself. Is the project known outside these 2 groups? I'm not convinced yet that incubating at Apache is the best thing for empire-db. I think that seeking out new ideas, users and (future) committers for the project is the highest priority. Of course this can be done whilest incubating, but having incubator plastered all over the project won't attract more users or developers. Some mild marketing such as posting an article on javalobby (java.dzone.com) or theserverside.com to get some publicity will help the project more than becoming an Apache project. Martijn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org