From general-return-18511-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 03 21:27:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 80926 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 21:27:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 58577 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2008 21:27:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58411 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2008 21:27:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58078 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jun 2008 21:27:17 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:27:16 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of martijn.dashorst@gmail.com designates 74.125.46.157 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.46.157] (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:26:26 +0000 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so934658ywr.0 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:26:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YDbCM0EOaXykdliw2wMV30M4tfDpRs6KhUiFodEjAgM=; b=E9cCoFuLBShyNdo3K0VlWo6PTtBaUaW1OHEYFuvK/ZHffvIA0GzWj5AT1xGp42I5k4APTiYQvyKmpJwljsJJsgUqXvNuGhJR/t4sa/lWiKF0MMajxEVqcY7VZiceGtdrQJX6TFiGG9pOoIB+zI2rP9TlOP0MqwR9fXF4qeodHVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TySPFHuoZ/+OoUr/vQLmEPKQlh9v+3+4kCYWeJF1Yft9+L8/K/RjUGt6JjKhFWdy76W99bDQgrAIRtf2AVxhg0yG++qNwsOkCVrEJV+IjvZQqKCLXb2ZaI1xHbOw40rZ6m6jgse/4QGUNnveuMDKHhAO3cYicwaq06zYrEigP50= Received: by 10.150.136.6 with SMTP id j6mr3841821ybd.93.1212528403492; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.6.4 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <918312fe0806031426r1bca91cfx25735fbe8a313ec7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:26:43 +0200 From: "Martijn Dashorst" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers In-Reply-To: <5c902b9e0806031329m5d437e7w88b92199e456e722@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5c902b9e0806031329m5d437e7w88b92199e456e722@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org +1 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the > vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the > podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best > practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer > calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the > discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and > vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are > three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in > order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their > support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote > results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the > Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review > all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache > members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an > issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members). > --- > > I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the > vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the > podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best > practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer > *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the > discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and > vote threads by the PPMC. *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK > the receipt of the vote. This starts a 72-hour window for lazy > consensus. After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member > for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is > approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer > invitation process.* > --- > > This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt > full ASF board. I like the concept of expanding this for committers > as well for Incubation, so there. I don't like needless 'dual > voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute > oversight. > > WDYT? -- justin > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.3 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org