From general-return-18506-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 03 20:29:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 33263 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 20:29:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 20:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 58020 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2008 20:29:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57832 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2008 20:29:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57821 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jun 2008 20:29:58 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:29:58 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of justin.erenkrantz@gmail.com designates 74.125.46.158 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.46.158] (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.158) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:29:09 +0000 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so918527ywr.0 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:29:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=oRaGQqUbMx5vGcQxPsur+J/Eat78/f3ihSWZXiUmtUg=; b=DiPYC/4AZwgm69/a8KwDZybwQV6h40yYYk6yW1KJPzetIKUQ4mMX9YbhVzz6kDnGBUbORvfQCDn2gVGdpo+te03Q4UjAkkkIXe6C++EbDxRUOBWgA8ieHZF1TzDcT7nfvZeluRXacQwQh6uYfoO9mhC/4/KjSJHJ0jV3/stPEKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=mZwyinBlvbiKzV1qGvEMACwsGEIs8dRpqURLcy6YQhulBohneoWnZ7O9ZDSJf3amWDW6aazhXcomOOC3lzk7RsddpmHjJZnblmgWdm+ns6r/9ikNTD5yVcvvRmeW6zdYLEcbaiJQ85/Mn28T7JOH6VZitgKU08Ya8a2bMtkcw3A= Received: by 10.151.106.7 with SMTP id i7mr1490516ybm.176.1212524956137; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.45.4 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5c902b9e0806031329m5d437e7w88b92199e456e722@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:29:15 -0700 From: "Justin Erenkrantz" Sender: justin.erenkrantz@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf57d8c797234c69 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: --- Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members). --- I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: --- Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and vote threads by the PPMC. *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK the receipt of the vote. This starts a 72-hour window for lazy consensus. After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer invitation process.* --- This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt full ASF board. I like the concept of expanding this for committers as well for Incubation, so there. I don't like needless 'dual voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute oversight. WDYT? -- justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org