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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: maven repository
Date Fri, 30 May 2008 14:51:28 GMT
Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I really do not know why we have to revisit this same topic year after
> > after year.

> Because it's an arbitrary restriction that IMHO hasn't been properly

So in other words, we'll revisit this again everytime someone (relatively)
new comes along and wants to reopen the debate.

> > We do not want people to be using any Incubator artifact without
> > knowledge and action, so we do not want them polluting the standard

> Replace "artifact" with "release" and "standard repository" with "the
> Internet" and you have a rationale for preventing incubating releases.
> I wouldn't agree with that, but at least that would be a clear and
> consistent argument.

Well, more than a few people DID argue against having any Incubator releases
at all, but we agreed that so long as there was proper notice and
disclaimers, that there was a net benefit to allowing people to chose to use
an Incubator release, since it would help to build the developer community,
and thus make it easier for the project to eventually graduate.  So we are
not trying to prevent Incubator releases, we are trying to enforce that no
one uses them without making a deliberate decision to do so.

> One of the key principles of open source is that you don't put
> arbitrary restrictions on where or how the code is distributed
> or used.

So what?  We are not putting an arbitrary restriction on the code.  We are
putting a restriction on how an Incubator project may distribute its
artifacts.  Nothing we did, for example, had, or was intended to have, any
effect on Sun's ability to use Roller in production during Incubation.

> Once we approve a release it should be up to the project to
> decide how they want to make it available to their users.


> For example, if SpamAssassin were to enter incubation today, would we
> prevent them from using CPAN to distribute their releases?

As a matter of fact, we had similar issues with Roller and Wicket.

	--- Noel

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