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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <>
Subject Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
Date Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:06:46 GMT
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Marnie McCormack
<> wrote:
> All,
>  If I have understood correctly the legal process which we've followed to
>  join the Apache project, then I am 'legally independent' as are several of
>  the other Qpid committers under discussion, as I have signed an ICLA and am
>  personally responsible/liable for all of my contributions to Qpid.
>  If this is not the spirit of the rule then I think it'd be better stated in
>  different terms to make it clearer and this debate less subjective perhaps.

most apache processes are democractic (in the greek sense): in the
end, it's a VOTE. apache relies on social reputational pressure and
public records to keep the electorate straight but there are
subjective elements which individuals balance in different ways. most
rules arise from consensus and record how we choose to bind ourselves.
it's sometimes a little hard to adjust to this. there's also a high
degree of chance involve which (if this were a contest) would be
unfair. the subjective personal criteria each IPMCer applies tends to
change with time as we try to evolve, improve and grow.

it's interesting to note that i have exactly the same (good) opinion
of qpid as stated by the mentors: i just need to mull over whether the
IPMC has done enough...

>  For what its worth, Qpid has attracted several other independent committers
>  since project inception. Somewhat unfortunately, after making significant
>  contribution, they're all tied up with their 'day job' commitments at the
>  moment (from the pre-graduation karma discussions on our list).
>  Speaking of the Apache way, I don't much enjoy being singled out for
>  personal discussion.


IMO if necessary at all, any discussions of individuals should have
happened on private lists

but it is good to see qpid developers posting to this thread...

> The position of some of the committers on this project
>  is, by necessity, what it is. It's not some Machiavellian attempt to subvert
>  the process, truly.


- robert

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