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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
Date Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:42:31 GMT
Hi Rupert,

This statement convinces me that you are an independent committer on  
the project. I think it would be good for everyone on the qpid project  
who consider themselves to be independent to post a similar statement.

I'd probably go further, and ask that the statements be included in  
the "who we are" section of the public qpid incubator project site.

I think this would go a long way toward making the incubator pmc  
members more comfortable about the diversity of the project.

I understand that some consulting contracts have explicit clauses that  
require that the consultant *not* publicize their working  
relationships with clients. But I think that it's possible for qpid  
committers to make statements similar to Rupert's below, to the effect  
that even though they might have worked on a project that used qpid,  
or were at some point paid to work on qpid, that their current  
contributions and activities are on their own nickel. And I hope that  
Rupert doesn't get into trouble with JPMC over this disclosure.


On Mar 25, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Rupert Smith wrote:

> I don't mean to be secretive so I shall clarify things for you. I have
> provided consultancy to JPMC and this did relate to Qpid, particularly
> helping some of their teams to get set up with it. However, I have  
> never
> been covered by a corporate CLA but signed it as an individual  
> contributor.
> This was because I was not ever an employee of JPMC but provided  
> consultancy
> through another company. Our contract stated something along the  
> lines of
> JPMC specify what it is that they need, but is up to the contractor to
> decide how, where, when this is fulfilled (in order to make it clear  
> that I
> was not an employee). In other words, I chose of my own independent  
> free
> will to recomend Qpid as a solution for them, and contributed to it  
> as an
> independant entity to further our mutual aims, rather than being  
> employed
> specifically to work on it.
> I have finished consulting for JPMC but am still a committer to the  
> project.
> I have an active interest in other customers who could benefit from  
> free and
> open middleware especially where the interoperable and open nature  
> of AMQP
> could be used to their advantage. I also have an ongoing interest in
> developing some testing ideas based on aspects of model checking, as  
> I wrote
> the junit-toolkit, and am interested in ways in which logic  
> programming can
> be used to generate and evaluate test cases.
> I'm currently an active committer and fully independant at the time  
> of the
> proposed graduation. Hope this helps you make your minds up.
> Best regards,
> Rupert
> On 25/03/2008, Yonik Seeley <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Greig < 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>> On 25/03/2008, Robert Greig <> wrote:
>>>>> Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't
>> the IRS :-)
>>> In that case I would claim that I am also independent. Although I  
>>> work
>>> for JPMC I am not paid to work on the Qpid project and all my
>>> contributions for the last 14 months have been in my own time. As
>>> anyone can see from my public LinkedIn profile, I am an architect  
>>> for
>>> the cash equities business.
>> That's cool.  I'd much rather have people put it all out there and  
>> let
>> others decide (full disclosure).  Intersecting affiliations should be
>> disclosed IMO.  Doesn't matter what that affiliation is... working  
>> for
>> part time, full time, indirectly, an indirect client of, working on
>> site, whatever.
>> The whole secrecy thing is strange.  Is Rupert one of those guys who
>> can't reveal his affiliations (including people he works with and end
>> clients, not just middle-men)?
>> -Yonik
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Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System
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P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

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