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From "Paul Fremantle" <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet - Pluto
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:52:16 GMT

Thanks for the clearly thought out answer.


On Feb 4, 2008 5:55 AM, Stefan Hepper <> wrote:
> Paul,
> I still think it is of value doing RIs at Apache, because it makes the
> standard that is implemented more open and easier to consume.
> I also think that the new JCP process allows to do it more inline with
> Apache rules, however it still requires some special treatment (and some
> additional patience) as many of the decisions are done via the JSR EG
> and not on the Apache mailing list.
> Another major issue is that from the JCP point of view the spec lead is
> responsible for providing the RI when submitting the final spec and thus
> needs to ensure that the RI gets finished in time. Therefore the
> situation that Endre criticizes, that committers from one company are
> very active in one phase of the project and then "disappear", arise if
> the community is not focused on the new release (e.g. in case of Pluto
> 2.0), but trying to stabilize and finalize the current version (Pluto
> 1.1). On the other hand that is also a decision of the community, the
> more active they are on the new versions, the less code the spec-lead
> company needs to contribute.
> Stefan
> > Stefan
> >
> > Thank you for you insights and response.
> >
> > Maybe the interesting question is whether you think - based on your
> > experience - if is is really appropriate to try to create a JCP RI as
> > an Apache incubator project?
> >
> > Paul
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