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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation
Date Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:42:35 GMT
There are some podlings that are managing themselves well and have no  
inactive committers. These podlings should not have to undergo an  
artificial process in order to graduate.

Other podlings that have a bunch of inactive committers might find it  
necessary to go through a pruning process at graduation, in order to  
make sure that the community is healthy.

I'd leave it up to the community and PPMC to decide whether pruning is  


On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Filip at Apache wrote:

> I'd vote -1, if a project graduates, it does so cause the committer  
> community is healthy and works well together, and all the other  
> factors.
> I don't see any reason why a community should have to be re-elected.  
> It just doesn't make sense. Graduation out of incubator should not  
> be a popularity contest, if the project can graduate, they have  
> already proven themselves at that point
> Filip
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Following up (finally) on the community diversity discussion of last
>> December [1], I propose to re-elect podling committers before a
>> project graduates.
>> If we agree, I'll start a vote to add the following text after the
>> "Graduation Process" title at
>> :
>> *** Podling committers graduation ***
>> Once a podling is ready to graduate, its committers are re-elected,
>> according to the ASF's usual meritocracy rules.
>> The goal is to ensure that all Apache committers have gone through  
>> the
>> "meritocracy filter", which does not apply to people included in a
>> podling's initial committers list, for obvious reasons.
>> The suggested process is to have podling committers (and mentors if
>> they want) self-nominate themselves, indicating why they believe they
>> should be included in the list of graduated committers. People who
>> were on the initial list of podling committers, but did not actively
>> contribute, are expected to step down at this point.
>> The PPMC votes to accept the nominations, subject to the usual voting
>> rules for committers.
>> The podling's mentors lead this process, usually with no involement  
>> of the IPMC.
>> The results of the committers graduation votes are include in the
>> podling's graduation request.
>> ***
>> I think this reflects our discussions at [1], but let me know if I
>> forgot something!
>> -Bertrand
>> [1]
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Craig Russell
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