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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <>
Subject Re: Projects in trouble or otherwise needing help
Date Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:44:17 GMT
On Nov 16, 2007 11:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 2007 12:32 AM, James Margaris <> wrote:


> > Right now posting on the lists feels like playing to an empty theater.
> i can appreciate why you say this. i prefer to think of it as
> conductive a monologue ;-)
> apache is highly ranked and the mailing lists well archived and
> indexed. each post is recorded and nothing wasted. words build a
> community. engineer the process for serendipity.

maybe an example would be illuminating

i've been trying to build up a new community around JAMES IMAP for
most of this year. i blogged more about IMAP and email (it's natural
since i've been spending more time on this and have more comments).
i've also started to email more speculative posts to the mailing list
(search for my name and IMAP at for many,
many months this was principally a monologue but i persevered. over
the last month or two, i've started to find newcomers replying. i have
high hopes that over the next six months, a healthy community will
have bootstrapped.

there are a couple of reasons why i think we look at list traffic: one
negative and one positive

apache needs to to ensure active projects do active development from
closing up to outsiders (i don't think that this is true for XAP)

the other is that many people here have observed that good use of the
mailing lists is crucial for community building. IMHO  XAP has a
healthy list atmosphere but increasing the number of good posts would
increase the likelihood of independent developers showing up on list.

- robert

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