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From Roland Weber <>
Subject Jakarta [was: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]]
Date Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:03:40 GMT
Niall Pemberton wrote:
> Theres more of an issue IMO with projects that don't come thru the
> incubator, since they don't have to meet the Incubator's stringent
> graduation requirement. As an example - Tapestry was pushed out to a
> TLP from Jakarta,[...]

Jakarta is disintegrating. All big projects have gone TLP,
there are two or three more that might just make it. The rest
is too inactive, because of maturity or disinterest, to stand
on their own. There have been discussions every few months on
how to revive inactive projects, and sending them back into
the incubator was one of the options. Not that it matters much,
I don't remember any that picked up enough interest.

Now the projects that are still active but have only a small
developer community - too small for Incubator standards for
sure - are caught between a rock and a hard place. There are
users out there, and the code has seen many official releases.
Going into the Incubator and making unofficial "incubating"
releases from there is not a preferred option.
Going TLP with just enough PMCs to collect three binding votes
during holiday season creates TLPs with a very high dependency
on very few people. Projects which are an issue.
Staying at Jakarta will buy some time, but won't last forever.

If you have ideas on what to do with these small but active
projects, please come over to general@jakarta and share your
thoughts. The two examples I have in mind are HttpComponents
and JMeter, but there may be others:


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