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From Upayavira>
Subject Re: Podling Committer policy
Date Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:04:59 GMT
Craig L Russell wrote:
> Getting back to my original comment, I don't see how the IPMC can 
> meaningfully participate in a discussion or vote held on the PPMC 
> private mailing list. I don't think it's reasonable for an IPMC member 
> who is exercising oversight in the specific case of a new committer to 
> be required to subscribe to the podling's private PPMC mailing list for 
> this purpose.
> What might work is for the [DISCUSS] and [VOTE] of the candidate to be 
> held simultaneously on the PPMC private mailing list and the IPMC 
> private mailing list. All of both the IPMC and PPMC can fully 
> participate in the process. Then, at the end of the [VOTE] it will be 
> clear whether the vote passed.

Unfortunately I would probably then unsub from private@incubator due to 
mail overload.

What we are dealing with here is how non-member IPMC members can carry 
out their duties as IPMC members. Non member IPMC members are in the 
minority, so we are dealing with a minority case.

So, we have two choices:
  1) Someone deploys a web interface to the list archives using
     a sufficiently sophisticated authentication scheme
  2) Whenever a non-member IPMC member wants to hear what is going on on
     a *-private@i.a.o list, they ask a member who will make a password
     protected zip of the list archive available to them.

At the moment, these are the options we have. Clearly 2) is more 
painful, but easier to handle in the short term. I personally am open to 
requests for list archives.

Regards, Upayavira

> On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Upayavira wrote:
>>> The implication here is that, if we consider the IPMC to have the role
>>> of overseeing podlings
>> Is there an "if" there?  ;-)  That *is* the job of the Incubator PMC, 
>> and it is the sole holder of that role.
>>> IPMC members must have the necessary rights to do so.
>> The Incubator PMC is the managing entity of all things in the 
>> Incubator.  Nothing is private from the Incubator PMC, by definition.
>>> perhaps IPMC members should have access to all podling private lists.
>> No perhaps about it.  Any Incubator PMC member who wants to be on any 
>> @i.a.o list can be; if they have any difficulty being moderated on, 
>> they should contact me (or anyone else with apmail karma).
>>> the right to see archives, but I don't know whether they'd need a
>>> member proxy to see the archives or if that can be done via unix
>>> perms on p.a.o).
>> At present all private list archives are available only to ASF 
>> Members.  This is not policy so much as a pragmatic limitation of 
>> available ACLs.  apmail is the owner and apmember is the group.  We 
>> have talked about having a protected web interface to private lists, 
>> but thus no one has stepped to do it.  And there are issues to resolve 
>> related to granularity of access.
>>     --- Noel
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