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From "Dion Gillard" <>
Subject Re: PPMC guidance on new committers
Date Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:26:20 GMT
Speaking of being unnecessarily hostile and confrontational, thanks for
bagging Jakarta.

FWIW, The most recent Jakarta committer votes have been conducted in
private, and what you describe is not a current Jakarta practice.

Where are Noel's comments about bad Jakarta practice? I had a quick look
through my recent emails from Noel, but couldn't find any.


On 5/31/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <> wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
> >
> > o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator
> > general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email
> > with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podling's
> > developer list. This is a good approach if you are sure of getting the
> > required three +1 votes from incubator PMC members. It is embarrassing
> > to have a public vote fail or take a very long time because not enough
> > incubator PMC members vote and have to be solicited to vote for a
> > committer.
> I'm strongly against this.  If you think it's to spare embarrassment, you
> missed the issue.
> The issue is that it is unnecessarily hostile and confrontational to have
> to reject a committer on a public list.  So one of two things happen when
> there is a valid reason to reject the nomination - either the list becomes
> hostile and you alienate a contributor who might be voted in with simply
> another month or two of participation, or the objection goes unstated
> which
> is bad for the health and progress of the project.
> Voting on-list is a bad thing for the project; not a bad thing to do to
> the nominee.
> This is another artifact from Jakarta practice, which Noel had some
> observations about earlier today :)
> Bill
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dIon Gillard
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