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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: Adding new committers process
Date Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:37:32 GMT
Cliff Schmidt wrote:

> 1. Only IPMC members (e.g. mentors) should send root requests for new
>    podling committers.
> 2. A podling committer vote requires three IPMC +1s to be approved
>   (ideally the mentors, assuming the project still has three mentors).

> This [is] not how I read what we have documented at

Then we need to fix the documentation.

> From Noel's comments, it sounds like those "(P)"s should be removed
> from the above sentence.

The PPMC has no standing within the ASF.  It is a useful structure for the
Incubator, but the only binding votes on a PPMC are those of the Incubator
PMC members casting them.  The PMC is the recognized entity within the ASF
structure responsible for the management of a project, and we need to ensure
that decisions go through the PMC in order to maintain that role.  Why do
you think that I keep pushing the minimum of three (active) Mentors

> I honestly don't know if this is a case of things evolving rules, or
> different IPMC members thinking they agreed with each other and not
> realizing they had different ideas, or (equally likely) that I knew
> the "right way" to do this long ago and have since lost my mind.

Take your pick.  :-P

> I have chosen to handle this by offering my IPMC/mentor vote to
> the three qpid votes that were summarized on this list last month.

> I can also do the sending of the root requests when there are two
> other +1 IPMC votes.

That's fine.  My comment to Martin Ritchie was entirely procedural, and not
intended to be any sort of slap.  I, too, am favorably disposed towards QPid
(questions about the specification process aside).  If you don't have
sufficient votes, let me know, and I will review the archives in order to
determine my own vote.

	--- Noel

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