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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])
Date Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:46:35 GMT
I'm confused. The Process Description [1] seems to be clear:

The Mentor is automatically made a member of the Incubator PMC, and  
reports to both the PMC and the Sponsor about your overall health and  
suitability for eventual inclusion within the Apache Community (or  
recommendation to terminate).

If there should be a separate vote, there's no mention of it  
anywhere. Is this just old information in need of updating? Or is it  
the intent that after receiving a Sponsor's request to the Incubator  
to accept a candidate, someone on the IPMC starts a vote to accept  
the non-Member proposed Mentor(s) as an IPMC member? And then  
separately, the IPMC votes to accept the candidate as a podling? The  
implication is that if not all proposed Mentors are IPMC members, the  
vote to accept the candidate is out of order.

I'll be happy to propose a patch once I understand what it should say.




On Apr 9, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Ted Husted wrote:
>> As I understand it, once the proposal is accepted, the Mentors listed
>> on the proposal become IPMC members. Once the proposal is accepted,
>> and the group becomes a podling, then, yes, all Mentors and IPMC
>> Members.
> The Mentors being listed is interesting, but we had better be  
> voting on PMC
> members separately.  As contrasted with a single vote for the  
> Committer and
> PPMC roster, if someone listed is not a PMC member, and not an ASF  
> Member, I
> don't think that conflating those two votes is a good idea.  In  
> fact, I'd
> say that it is a bad idea.
>> As to a podling proposal, I would suggest that we expect all Mentors
>> be ASF Members or IPMC Members. If someone would like to be a Mentor
>> but is not already a ASF Member, we could always elect that person to
>> the IPMC first, and then accept the proposal.
> +1
> 	--- Noel
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Craig Russell
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