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From "William A. Rowe, Jr." <>
Subject Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])
Date Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:49:36 GMT
Ted Husted wrote:
> On 4/11/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <> wrote:
>> Cast a binding vote in the project?  Yes, of course.  Mentorship is a
>> heavier
>> hammer than that, when necessary.
> As a three-time Mentor, I would venture that anyone who mentors with a
> hammer doesn't understand the role :)

 * when necessary *

given some of the problems that have been percolating all the way to
general@, there are some problems in mentorships.  The hammer is only
applicable to things that are not acceptable ever - backroom (offlist)
decision making, refusing to acknowledge merit (keeping a podling 'closed')
or not complying with the ASL.  There is a short list of unacceptable
practices at the ASF - the mentors job is to short circuit those early
before they become habit (or - more difficult - rewire them for projects
with a long prior-history before entry to the incubator.)

When these problems escalate to iPMC there is a problem in the mentoring,
either mentors not raising the hammer, or podlings refusing to listen to
the advise.  Lowering the hammer sometimes has to come from the iPMC, but
it should already be hanging over their heads, having very clearly
explained what's wrong with the status quo and why at the podling level.

This makes it possible for the iPMC to act, instead of discussing the
possibility of entertaining the thought of taking a potential action.

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