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From Ted Leung <>
Subject Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry
Date Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:24:58 GMT

On Jan 29, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> The ASF Board, by Cliff Schmidt, wrote:
>> The report on Heraldry mentions a "single large block checkin"
> Two large block check-ins in January.  One for python, one for  
> ruby.  It
> seems as if most of the development is happening off-line and being
> committed by proxy.  Paul Querna posted one message raising those  
> concerns.
> There were no replies, and he didn't follow up.
>> "almost no activity" on the dev list
> Almost none is a tad of a stretch, but certainly nothing like the  
> level of
> developer discussion that one would want to see.  And that  
> compounds when
> considered in light of the proxy commits.

I don't think that e-mails copied to another mailing list count as  
activity.  By that measure spam would also count.  Until last week,  
there had not been a single message dealing with code that was  
checked in either prior to or after the checkin.

>> and license problems not being responded to "despite requests from  
>> the
> mentors".
> That happened back in October.  The last message I see on the  
> subject was
> from Ted in November, saying: "I sent a note about that to heraldry- 
> dev and
> heard crickets in response."  On the other hand, the Mentors are  
> posting
> little more than a message a month, each, so there isn't much hands-on
> guidance.

We've also been attempting to get some parties/corporations to  
respond via off-list e-mails, which as you can see, have not been  
particularly successful either.

> Clearly there needs to be some corrective action, and more guidance  
> on how
> an ASF project is supposed to conduct itself.

That's not much of a plan, which is what the board is asking for.     
Paul and I are about at our wit's end on what to do here, besides  
upping the number of messages that say "please talk to us on the  
list".    But given that development is happening somewhere else, I  
am doubtful as to whether that would make any difference.   Late  
today a thread started up which clearly shows that some amount of  
development is happening elsewhere: <>.    I would definitely  
appreciate concrete suggestions of things to do.


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