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From David E Jones <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5
Date Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:34:00 GMT

On Nov 7, 2006, at 12:40 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:

> On 11/7/06, David E Jones <> wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 2006, at 3:52 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>> > On 11/2/06, David E Jones <> wrote:


>> I read through the stuff on the 3party.html page you referenced and I
>> think if this does become the case there is an easy way we can handle
>> it. While it may be a little inconvenient we can remove these files
>> and refer to them in locations publicly available via the internet.
>> This way we can refer to them, but not include them.
>> Would that solve the problem?
> probably
> IMHO it's worth considering creating clean room implementations in the
> medium term (or lobbying for an open source compatible license)
>> > ofbiz.jar does not contain LICENSE and NOTICE in it's META-INF. so
>> > this jar cannot be distributed as a bare artifact. for example,  
>> this
>> > means that it cannot be distributed through the maven repository.
>> >
>> > do you intend to ban distribution by maven?
>> I'm not sure what this would/should look like, and honestly hadn't
>> considered the distribution of these jars through a Maven repository/
>> server. The ofbiz.jar isn't really of any use on its own and is just
>> an executable place holder that loads other stuff in OFBiz.
>> For distribution in Maven would every jar in OFBiz have to include
>> the NOTICE and LICENSE files? We could certainly do this by just
>> changing the ant scripts.
> yes - every apache jar that is released by itself would need NOTICE
> and LICENSE files

Thanks for the feedback. The OFBiz build files now all copy the  
NOTICE and LICENSE files into the META-INF directory for each jar.  
So, from now on all OFBiz jar files will include the NOTICE and  
LICENSE files to make their (re)distribution more flexible.

>> On a side note, is this getting in the way of the voting process for
>> this Test Snapshot release?
> possibly
> AFAIC the substantive issue is the xsd's without open source licenses
> but IMHO this is a marginal case. the license is missing from the
> LICENSE file.
> apache has traditionally issued aggregate binary releases containing
> redistributable binary components which are not open source but does
> not include source under restrictive licenses. xsd's are a difficult
> corner case. much better to create clean room implementations.
> since this is an incubator release and there seems no substantial
> legal risk i'm going to +1 but i trust that the mentors will see that
> this issue is resolved before graduation.

In the case of all of these DTD/XSD files they are not frequently  
used in OFBiz and after a bit of research I was able to get all  
existing XML files pointing to files available over the internet  
instead of from/though OFBiz. I don't think this will become much of  
an issue in terms of inconvenience or making things inflexible, and  
in a way it is nice to have one less thing to keep track of in the  
resources we manage and host. So yes, these files are now removed  
from SVN and there are README files in place to describe where the  
files can be obtained, and the XML files that use them point to the  
public locations.

>> I've notice that no one else has really
>> voted on it yet.
> that's not unusual. unfortunately, checking releases takes IPMC energy
> which is in limited supply. i run RAT (which is quicker) but there's
> still quite a deal of time talen by offering explanations.

 From my own experience I totally understand and there is certainly  
no hurry on this. We'd all like to see this finished up of course and  
will be happy to do whatever we can to smooth out the process. I know  
that OFBiz is fairly large will require a good bit of time from  
anyone who reviews it.

I think this wraps up these new issues that Robert identified so that  
once this or another Test Snapshot is approved we won't have these  
delaying the OFBiz graduation.


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