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From "Henri Yandell" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process
Date Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:02:19 GMT
On 11/10/06, Garrett Rooney <> wrote:
> On 11/10/06, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
> > There seems to be a persistent delusion that general@incubator.apache.or
> > is where incubation happens.  The reality is that all the real
> > incubating happens on the PPMC private and dev lists.
> >
> > We can correct this in one of two ways: recognize what actually is
> > happening, or make what we say is happening actually work.
> >
> > If we go the first route, then we should treat this list as an
> > announcements list.  Results of votes for releases and graduation are
> > posted here, and incubator PMC members will be given 72 hours to raise
> > an issue.

That's how I treat it - if I can get enough PMC votes without having
to call a vote here.

> > If we go the second route, then we need to set the expectation that most
> > PMC members participate in most votes.
> I think it's unrealistic to expect that the majority of the members of
> the incubator PMC will be involved in most votes.  I mean heck, I've
> rarely seen the majority of PMC members of any project be involved in
> ANY release vote, let alone in a situation like the incubator where
> many PMC members have little personal interest in the majority of the
> releases.

Yup - the Incubator is not a community. It'll always be a community of
communities like the ASF.

> Honestly though, if podlings are having trouble getting people on the
> PMC to review and vote on their releases I wonder if that says
> something in and of itself.

Usually that they predate the realisation that a podling needs 3
mentors to not have this problem.


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