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From "Don Brown" <>
Subject Re: wikis
Date Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:52:33 GMT
What exactly makes something a part of the "official" ASF
infrastructure?  I thought it was that a member of Infrastructure had
volunteered to maintain it, and if that's the case, Confluence is
indeed a part of the "official" ASF infrastructure since I, as a
member of ASF and Infrastructure, have volunteered to maintain it.

>From my perspective, the problem is that the infrastructure team only
supports tools that they themselves use.  What a project wants to use
something different, they are on their own.  Therefore the solution to
that is to have volunteers who are familiar with the new tools join
Infrastructure and help out.  Struts, and a lot of other ASF projects,
have found Confluence to be a very helpful tool, so seeing that no one
was really maintaining the Confluence instance, I volunteered to keep
it up.  Infrastructure is always looking for volunteers, so get
involved and make it happen.


On 11/9/06, Roy T. Fielding <> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Igor Vaynberg wrote:
> > this is not a kind of attitude i would expect from a professional
> > organization. a big part of joining apache is the desire for a
> > stable and
> > maintained infrastructure. we (wicket) came here from
> > things used to
> > go down there all the time, but they would get fixed - it wasnt a
> > matter of
> > a "want" but part of the service they provide. sorry to rant, but
> > its very
> > disappointing to see things like these here.
> Allow me to make this clear.  Confluence is not part of the ASF
> infrastructure.  We made a machine available for it because a very
> few people are so used to badly designed Java servlet interfaces
> that they actually prefer a wiki that goes down on a regular basis,
> and those people promised to do all of the work to maintain it.
> If complaints about Confluence being "down" or "unmaintained" or
> "disappointing" continue to happen here, I will personally ask the
> board for permission to delete the entire instance.  We should not
> be wasting our time on dumb ideas and lazy developers.
> If you want a wiki, use
> ....Roy
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