From general-return-11209-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Oct 02 12:22:17 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 18876 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 12:22:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 12:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 38623 invoked by uid 500); 2 Oct 2006 12:22:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38131 invoked by uid 500); 2 Oct 2006 12:22:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38114 invoked by uid 99); 2 Oct 2006 12:22:11 -0000 Received: from idunn.apache.osuosl.org (HELO idunn.apache.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:22:11 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= Received: from [209.133.199.10] ([209.133.199.10:49264] helo=jimsys.jagunet.com) by idunn.apache.osuosl.org (ecelerity 2.1.1.8 r(12930)) with ESMTP id E0/68-16499-36401254 for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:21:57 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jimsys.jagunet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9EB4AFC5B for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:21:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jim Jagielski Subject: Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:21:35 -0400 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Oct 1, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > This is why I keep pushing back with the idea that we bootstrap in > a defined > manner: > > - The Incubator PMC sets the Mentors, who form the initial PPMC > - The PPMC (Mentors) elects additional PPMC members > - The PPMC elects Committers > > This is simple and human driven, delegating decisions in the normal > ASF > manner. I don't like that. I don't like that fact that from the start, those who are approved as initial committers aren't on the PPMC. If that means we need to trim the size of the initial pool of committers in the proposal, then I'm all for that. But restricting initial PPMC membership just to Mentors when those people who are the initial committers have (one hopes) already the long association with the code and the community aren't included in just seems wrong, and getting the podling off to the wrong start. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org