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From Mark Little <>
Subject Re: Policy on Initial Committership
Date Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:34:14 GMT

On 1 Oct 2006, at 21:16, Daniel Kulp wrote:

> Justin,
> On Sunday October 01 2006 3:22 pm, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>> We've seen an example of this with Celtixfire.  So far, we're  
>> waiting for
>> an explanation (as those discussions did not occur in a place  
>> where the
>> Incubator PMC could provide any oversight), but the aggrieved parties
>> believe they have been barred access to a project they felt they
>> contributed to.
> That's not it.   The issue is they have been barred access to a  
> project they
> have only expressed interest in contributed to.   They have not yet
> contributed anything (no code, no patches, little to no  
> communication on the
> dev list, etc...).   That is why the CXF mentors decided it was
> in-appropriate to give them commit access.   There name was on the  
> initial
> proposal, but after two months, there was still no contributions.   
> Those
> individuals are basically stating that since there name was on the  
> proposal,
> that is enough to get the commit rights.

I think you need to check your facts. We were on the initial  
contributor list and have been involved in some email discussions  
since the podling started, but since we were not given committer  
status as expected, we waited for Jason and others to do their jobs  
as they indicated in the very first emails. Kind of putting the cart  
before the horse any other way, as far as I can see!

> Basically, Jason and the other mentors thought the initial  
> commiters should
> actually be those who contribute/commit stuff.   Those who don't  
> meet that
> barrier haven't earned the commit rights, so why should they have  
> commit
> rights?

Absolutely none of this was communicated to us or anyone else on the  
CXF mailing list AFAIK. If there has been statements like: "we're  
waiting to see what/if you contribute" much earlier then we may have  
been able to take some appropriate action. There were not. Now unless  
you think only psychic people should be allowed into Apache projects,  
maybe "we" need to be a little more open and logical about the  
process! We were admitted onto the submitters list for a reason, and  
argued the case at that point. Any objections should have been raised  
there and then, or the list pruned later by constructive and open  
debate. Not behind closed doors but a select few.


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