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From Mads Toftum <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership
Date Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:18:03 GMT
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 02:01:31PM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Yes, we do not accept a project if we're not prepared to grant commit access
> to those who have worked on the code.  Again, the perception we are on the
> verge of fostering is that the meritocracy only happens here and for
> communities (like Wicket) where people have earned their access elsewhere,
> we are saying that we do not respect that as we will let the mentors by fiat
> decide who is worthy or not.

Oh, this is something slightly different - you're talking of a project
where development was done in the open and it is easy to figure out who
contributed before. In that case, I think that the ppmc should pretty
much automatically accept anyone who has been committers before if they 
_personally_ ask for it.
This just isn't as clear when something comes out of a company ... it
has shown itself as a bit too easy to be "creative" in those cases - and
that's what I support putting a stop to.

> I don't care much about the sidestepping of meritocracy: the community will
> not be able to graduate until they are diverse - hence the problem is
> self-correcting.  If they can't gather a diverse collection of people, then
> no dice.
You're putting an awful lot of trust in that final review - it has
slipped before and it will slip more often in the future.
I'm sorry, but I just don't share your plans for world domination^W 
carefree attitude towards letting all sorts of potential nightmares into
the incubator.
There's always talk about one company or the other controlling the ASF -
and with people getting paid to mentor, people putting their names on a
project as mentors without even bothering to vote for it and with
companies dumping code and a very large number of "committers" on us,
who's to blame people for speculating like that?

> I am concerned that we may permit PPMCs who view it as their right to refuse
> access to people who have actively contributed in the past and want to
> continue contributing because they don't like them personally or their
> employer or feel that they are not leadership material.  Those aren't
> grounds for barring access.  -- justin

No more or no less than it would be in a non-incubating project. If you
see any hints of that, that should be fixed by hitting the mentor with a
very large cluestick, not by leaving the doors open for everyone else to
abuse as they see fit.

just my $.02


Mads Toftum

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