From general-return-11021-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Sep 19 20:21:06 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 67895 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 20:21:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 20:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 84249 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2006 20:21:00 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 84155 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2006 20:20:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 84144 invoked by uid 99); 19 Sep 2006 20:20:59 -0000 Received: from idunn.apache.osuosl.org (HELO idunn.apache.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:20:59 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= Received: from ([128.195.24.168:64530] helo=scotch.ics.uci.edu) by idunn.apache.osuosl.org (ecelerity 2.1 r(10620)) with ESMTP id C8/3A-28275-72150154 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:20:56 -0700 Received: from scotch.ics.uci.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scotch.ics.uci.edu (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8JKKqoc009476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jerenk@localhost) by scotch.ics.uci.edu (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11/Submit) id k8JKKqTZ009475 for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: scotch.ics.uci.edu: jerenk set sender to justin@erenkrantz.com using -f Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:20:52 -0700 From: Justin Erenkrantz To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] accept UIMA as a podling Message-ID: <20060919202051.GE2515@scotch.ics.uci.edu> References: <7edfeeef0609181411o4578dcf5l381b63fc2780b384@mail.gmail.com> <451004F2.1010902@gmx.de> <7edfeeef0609191107v29d10687sd66271bf273f98d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7edfeeef0609191107v29d10687sd66271bf273f98d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=no version=3.2.0-r232569 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r232569 (2005-08-13) on scotch.ics.uci.edu X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 02:07:33PM -0400, Garrett Rooney wrote: > Of course, the fact that you had to be explicitly asked to explain > what the project does in the mailing list discussion doesn't bode well > in and of itself. My objection isn't just "your proposal is unclear", > it's also in part that you showed up at the incubator with a proposal > that was incomprehensible to anyone who didn't already know what your > project did. If that's how you're marketing yourselves to a group > ...snip, snip, snip... Well, I think that's a little unfair. Your criticisms should be aimed at the mentors (Ian, Sam, Ken) - but I don't think it's fair to expect that people who are new to our community to understand how we work. That's what the mentors are for. If the mentor isn't doing their job, then take it up with them - not the people who are just learning who we are and how things work. -- justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org