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From "Mike Kienenberger" <>
Subject Re: Glasgow naming: proposal
Date Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:09:18 GMT

I am not an Incubator PMC member, but past experience over the last
few months shows that the name is not a barrier to entry for the
Incubator.    For example, ADFFaces is an incubating project with a
name trademarked by Oracle, and part of the incubating process has to
been to change that name to Trinidad.    The name "Glasgow" may or may
not need to be changed before graduation, but it is not going to
prevent starting incubation.

There's certainly some strong opinions being presented here, but the
naming issues deal more with graduation issues than incubator
acceptance issues.

On 8/7/06, Kim van der Riet <> wrote:
> I have been somewhat surprised at the amount of debate surrounding the
> name of the proposed Glasgow project. It seems that this project has
> become entangled in an issue overdue for discussion within Apache.
> Perhaps the emotive issue of using (another) proper noun has sparked a
> much-needed debate. I have even been a little confused by the seemingly
> contradictory posts about resolving the naming of the project prior to
> acceptance vs. solving the issue prior to graduation.
> Being new to the process of incubation and to Apache itself, I would
> very much appreciate some clarification of the following regarding
> Glasgow: Do we need to change our name now or after acceptance? The
> project undertakes to abide by any policy or naming decision and make
> any necessary name changes. If need be, we could even open a separate
> thread, pre- or post-incubation-acceptance, for the purpose of finding
> an acceptable name, and invite all those who wish to do to to
> contribute.
> Some clear guidelines would be very helpful.
> Kim van der Riet
> Hopeful future (Glasgow) committer
> RedHat

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