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From "Gav...." <>
Subject RE: IRC Channel?
Date Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:32:55 GMT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jukka Zitting []
> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 3:29 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: IRC Channel?
> Hi,
> On 8/17/06, Eelco Hillenius <> wrote:
> > If ASF is about people rather than procedures as is regularly stated,
> > a discussion about IRC in open development should be more about 'how'
> > and in the context of individual projects than simply denouncing the
> > technology altogether.
> +1

Yes, I also echo Eelco's sentiments, forrest like Wicket has been successful
in using IRC for nearly a year now to thrash through some Jira Issues, code
enhancements and to discuss best ways of doing things etc, ideas get thrown
around. No big decisions on new techniques or direction are decided on IRC
but are put on dev@ for more discussion and resolution there. 

I personally have found IRC invaluable in live Q & A to get an answer, try
it out and respond straight away with yep that worked or no it didn't etc.
The lists of course do this in a slower but sure manner also. Forrest also
confirm that the Mail lists are the primary source of communication.

That said, there is an issue on the future of Forrest IRC sessions, as the
usual crew could usually attend, and others not, so we are to discuss a new
approach to using IRC. I hope it does not disappear.

> I think a key question in the "how" category is how to make IRC (or IM
> in general) discussions easily accessible to people "who weren't
> there" or who want to go back and check what was discussed. If this
> question is solved, I see no reason not to embrace IM more, but as of
> now I don't see any good solutions around. Plain IRC logs are clearly
> not the answer as pointed out by Geir and others.

Agree, I can not see any automated method to filter out the 'chatter' from
the relevant material to keep. Someone has to fill the role each time to
manually go through the logs and do the filtering. The prettying up
processing and publish to a web page or wiki can be done in many automated
ways when the good stuff remains.

Perhaps then, the looking through of IRC material will be easier to do.

FWIW I prefer IRC logs to Wiki any day.


> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
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