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From "Paul Fremantle" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project
Date Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:01:56 GMT
Robert +1

I think also, given that I understand that the Celtix and XFire
projects will remain alive outside, at least for the initial future,
that it would help reduce confusion to have a separate and distinct
name for the Apache project.


On 6/30/06, robert burrell donkin <> wrote:
> On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz <> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse <> wrote:
> > > Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites & docs will at the
> > > old locations. And XFire will be making release until Celtixfire
> > > releases a .0 release. I think Celtix will probably make some 1.x or
> > > 1.0.x releases as well.
> >
> > Given that, I think it's probably prudent to consider alternative names.
> +1
> > Is this official policy? Or do we just need to come to some consensus as
> > > to whether or not this will be confusing for our users?
> >
> > Our naming policy is to strive very hard not to conflict with any
> > other projects.  If those projects are going to continue independently
> > of CeltiXfire, then I'd view that as a conflict we should avoid.
> i wonder as well whether iona may need to consider whether they really
> understand the implications of choosing this name for the apache project.
> the ASF would own the Apache CeltiXFire trademark and the community is very
> sensitive to issues around usage especially with regard to marketing.
> our model is different from objectweb and it is likely that the existing
> approach that iona takes when marketing celtix would need to be changed.
> apache is really centered on individuals. corporations of all kinds as well
> as many individuals find space to coorporate by this focus. this corporation
> transparency implies neutrality. AIUI this is very different to the approach
> taken at (for example) objectweb.
> in addition, it is possible that iona may wish to maintain separate patched
> versions of the apache codebase. this may cause difficulties if iona needed
> to promote these products using an apache trademark.
> quite a lot of energy would be required for iona to maintain marketing
> material making extensive use of a possible Apache CeltiXFire trademark. a
> growing number of projects are also known to the outside by marketing names
> (for example apache derby). this allows a much greater degree of freedom as
> well as building separate value for their corporation in their brand.
> this may help to explain the trend towards unique but non-descriptive names
> for projects.
> - robert

Paul Fremantle
VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair

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