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From Leo Simons <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Jini Project
Date Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:59:34 GMT
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 03:43:13PM -0400, Bob Scheifler wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
> > I guess this means keeping around for a long time to come, and I think
> > this means you need a name for "jini@apache" which is not "jini" :)
> Could you expand on why you think that?  Thanks.

IANAL and not an expert but I can try.

More concretely, "jini" is a name/brand/trademark which seens to
be governed by eg

And is owned by sun for which there are rather strict guidelines:

Similarly, terms like "apache", "jakarta", "tomcat" are also marks
(even if not registered) which are somehow "owned" by the ASF (and
we have a PRC committee to protect them).

When "SpamAssassin" entered incubation the trademark (which was
registered) ownership was transferred to the ASF, so the name was
kept for the new project.

If the "jini" name is not "owned" by the ASF (not just legally, also
morally), we shouldn't name our software directly after it, for a
variety of reasons, like

  * its less confusing for users
  * it avoids potential legal worries
  * it avoids a whole lot of discussion, hurt feelings, etc.
  * if a project ever outgrows its original boundaries a bit
    (happens quite often, for example lucene had a C port while
    it was still at jakarta) its not a problem

This is why there is no but instead there is, there is no but there is harmony,
there is no but there is geronimo, etc.

There was, in fact, at some point, a, and IIUC the ASF
got a lot of flak about that from sun legal (and rightly so).

While its quite possible to change names halfway through incubation,
in general IMHO its just easier to "bite the bullet" up front because
various resources (jira projects, svn repositories, mailing lists, etc)
are coupled to the name.

To answer another question, yes, I believe this also means that there
should be no "jini" in the name. There's a variety of creative ways
most open source projects deal with that, like putting lots of extra
letters in and around a word, naming by association (so you end up
with "Apache Aladdin" since that's about genies too), or naming through
acronyms (so you end up with "Apache JiKit" for "JIni Kit").

I hope the above is clear. I'm really no expert. If there's need for
further details, I would suggest talking to a trademark/branding lawyer
or two. But usually its just a lot easier to pick a new name, so that's
what we tend to do :)


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